Soleimani Killed.....About Damn Time

[Sibelius Hindemith]

So questioning the administration's foreign policy makes you a liberal democrat Obama lover, ok if you say so. Though I might point out there are a few fairly conservative types that have some questions. This country was founded on debating issues, particularly foreign policy, and that within political parties. I know you Trumpsters find that hard to believe, for you it seems to be more about your bromance than actual issues. As for me, I might point out none of you actually know me. For all your complaining you like to do, you sure like to make assumptions about others.

I think you are way off base there. I doubt anyone here is a big admirer of Trump the person. The problem is with people that are obsessed with personality, appearances, and charm over the underlying beliefs and values that guide their policies. I realize there are a lot of white knuckledragging types that sort of hold him up for the wrong reasons but most of them are too dumb to look beyond the superficial elements of his nature.

The main problem is that the left is hypocritical and inconsistent. They give a free pass to the Dem leader and then jump all over the Repub. Where are the underlying principles in that? Why would Trump bother to brief the Dems on something he is about to do anyway? They will just oppose and obstruct anything he suggests and probably leak it to the media, which in this case would have ruined the element of surprise that was necessary to carry it out. That was never the case with Repubs when Obama was president and he still didn't bother giving them advance notice of his targeted killings of terror-linked operatives abroad.

[D-train]

So questioning the administration's foreign policy makes you a liberal democrat Obama lover, ok if you say so. Though I might point out there are a few fairly conservative types that have some questions. This country was founded on debating issues, particularly foreign policy, and that within political parties. I know you Trumpsters find that hard to believe, for you it seems to be more about your bromance than actual issues. As for me, I might point out none of you actually know me. For all your complaining you like to do, you sure like to make assumptions about others. I am not a democrat, and I don't know if i am anymore liberal than an actual Libertarian, a terms that gets tossed around here, but i get the feeling a lot of you don't actually grasp. in terms of Obama, i was troubled by things he did, maybe more troubled by how he went about doing them, and that really was a continuation of things that were troubling with the Bush administration. The issues involved span parties and administrations, they get more to the crux of the office of the president. Its not so much, who is in the drivers seat, as it is the drivers seat itself. In terms of the Obama administration, I would call this, "the chickens coming home to roost". In any event, you guys can go ahead and bitch about the media or however you like to pass the time...

and if you don't understand what I am getting at, you might ask Mike Lee, there is an actual conservative, someone who believes in original intent, and understands it, and yeah, Lee blasted Obama for sidestepping the constitution, i tend to agree, but now we have the ground work for every president after Obama and Bush to do the same.

https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index ... 57587AEB09

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/09/79488926 ... rbs-on-tru

https://www.heritage.org/the-constituti ... ress-needs

First you get upset that I call Iranians morons for shooting down a domestic airliner then you call us all Trumpsters.

[D-train]

Wow, this is big news. Looks like the Iranians took out Trump and Pompeo. lol

https://twitter.com/HanifJazayeri/statu ... 5913744384

[D-train]

She reminds me of someone. lol

https://twitter.com/alx/status/1216017545184104448

[Donn Beach]

So questioning the administration's foreign policy makes you a liberal democrat Obama lover, ok if you say so. Though I might point out there are a few fairly conservative types that have some questions. This country was founded on debating issues, particularly foreign policy, and that within political parties. I know you Trumpsters find that hard to believe, for you it seems to be more about your bromance than actual issues. As for me, I might point out none of you actually know me. For all your complaining you like to do, you sure like to make assumptions about others.

I think you are way off base there. I doubt anyone here is a big admirer of Trump the person. The problem is with people that are obsessed with personality, appearances, and charm over the underlying beliefs and values that guide their policies. I realize there are a lot of white knuckledragging types that sort of hold him up for the wrong reasons but most of them are too dumb to look beyond the superficial elements of his nature.

The main problem is that the left is hypocritical and inconsistent. They give a free pass to the Dem leader and then jump all over the Repub. Where are the underlying principles in that? Why would Trump bother to brief the Dems on something he is about to do anyway? They will just oppose and obstruct anything he suggests and probably leak it to the media, which in this case would have ruined the element of surprise that was necessary to carry it out. That was never the case with Repubs when Obama was president and he still didn't bother giving them advance notice of his targeted killings of terror-linked operatives abroad.

really can't speak to this, if its what you are concerned about fine. I really have very little contact with what's in the press. I keep trying to talk about policy, it has nothing to do with Trump's personality, like i said, it really hardly has to do with Trump, it more has to do with allowing presidents to gain more and more individual power in terms of war policy. I will say this about Trump, I think he is over his head with this stuff, and too self absorbed to understand he is over his head. I blame Obama more than I blame Trump, he understood what he was doing, he is a Harvard law professor, it was a function of his understanding, that is, the presidents relationship to constitutional checks and balances, all Trump did was get handed the keys of Obama's efforts, doubt Trump has ever bothered to take a look at the constitution in his life.

Don't understand what you mean by having to brief democrats, Mike Lee is a Republican. And you might feel its a problem for a president to have to include congress, but that is how the constitution is written. When it comes to gun rights its all about original intent, even if it talks about militias, something that doesn't exist now. Well the president including congress in the issues of war is in the constitution too...

[Donn Beach]

So questioning the administration's foreign policy makes you a liberal democrat Obama lover, ok if you say so. Though I might point out there are a few fairly conservative types that have some questions. This country was founded on debating issues, particularly foreign policy, and that within political parties. I know you Trumpsters find that hard to believe, for you it seems to be more about your bromance than actual issues. As for me, I might point out none of you actually know me. For all your complaining you like to do, you sure like to make assumptions about others. I am not a democrat, and I don't know if i am anymore liberal than an actual Libertarian, a terms that gets tossed around here, but i get the feeling a lot of you don't actually grasp. in terms of Obama, i was troubled by things he did, maybe more troubled by how he went about doing them, and that really was a continuation of things that were troubling with the Bush administration. The issues involved span parties and administrations, they get more to the crux of the office of the president. Its not so much, who is in the drivers seat, as it is the drivers seat itself. In terms of the Obama administration, I would call this, "the chickens coming home to roost". In any event, you guys can go ahead and bitch about the media or however you like to pass the time...

and if you don't understand what I am getting at, you might ask Mike Lee, there is an actual conservative, someone who believes in original intent, and understands it, and yeah, Lee blasted Obama for sidestepping the constitution, i tend to agree, but now we have the ground work for every president after Obama and Bush to do the same.

https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index ... 57587AEB09

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/09/79488926 ... rbs-on-tru

https://www.heritage.org/the-constituti ... ress-needs

First you get upset that I call Iranians morons for shooting down a domestic airliner then you call us all Trumpsters.

I wasn't upset about that, it wasn't the first time that had happened in that part of the world, Americans blew it too, plenty of morons to go around. Trumpsters, I think that was fair, this to me has always been more about the man himself than the republican party, or being conservative, it has to do with Trump's perceived populism. Both the positive and the negative i feel are more about his personality, than an actual defined set of beliefs. This is not Reagan we are talking about. Reagan had personality, and there were Reaganites, didn't think they felt offended by it, but Reagan also had a defined political philosophy, he spent years before being elected carefully establishing. I do not put Trump in that same category

[auroraave]

So questioning the administration's foreign policy makes you a liberal democrat Obama lover, ok if you say so. Though I might point out there are a few fairly conservative types that have some questions. This country was founded on debating issues, particularly foreign policy, and that within political parties. I know you Trumpsters find that hard to believe, for you it seems to be more about your bromance than actual issues. As for me, I might point out none of you actually know me. For all your complaining you like to do, you sure like to make assumptions about others. I am not a democrat, and I don't know if i am anymore liberal than an actual Libertarian, a terms that gets tossed around here, but i get the feeling a lot of you don't actually grasp. in terms of Obama, i was troubled by things he did, maybe more troubled by how he went about doing them, and that really was a continuation of things that were troubling with the Bush administration. The issues involved span parties and administrations, they get more to the crux of the office of the president. Its not so much, who is in the drivers seat, as it is the drivers seat itself. In terms of the Obama administration, I would call this, "the chickens coming home to roost". In any event, you guys can go ahead and bitch about the media or however you like to pass the time...

and if you don't understand what I am getting at, you might ask Mike Lee, there is an actual conservative, someone who believes in original intent, and understands it, and yeah, Lee blasted Obama for sidestepping the constitution, i tend to agree, but now we have the ground work for every president after Obama and Bush to do the same.

https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index ... 57587AEB09

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/09/79488926 ... rbs-on-tru

https://www.heritage.org/the-constituti ... ress-needs

First you get upset that I call Iranians morons for shooting down a domestic airliner then you call us all Trumpsters.

I wasn't upset about that, it wasn't the first time that had happened in that part of the world, Americans blew it too, plenty of morons to go around. Trumpsters, I think that was fair, this to me has always been more about the man himself than the republican party, or being conservative, it has to do with Trump's perceived populism. Both the positive and the negative i feel are more about his personality, than an actual defined set of beliefs. This is not Reagan we are talking about. Reagan had personality, and there were Reaganites, didn't think they felt offended by it, but Reagan also had a defined political philosophy, he spent years before being elected carefully establishing. I do not put Trump in that same category

'Trump didn't get elected based on his long standing policies - he never had any policies because he's not a politician. Ironically, he came up as a New York Democrat, which amplifies the hilarious hypocrisy of the Do-Nothing Dems (the most hilarious and spot-on term ever). Pelosi and none of them had a problem when he was filling the coffers of the Dems like Jessie Jackson, et al. No, Trump did not get elected because of his long standing policies, because he's not a politician. Trump got elected because the idiot Dems trotted out the worst candidate in the history of American Politics, a person so loathed by the masses, who was given the nomination by hijacking the DNC to eliminate Sanders (which of course immediately led to the whole pathetic "Russian hacking" nonsense which was nothing but a blatant diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the Hilary embarrassment and the crooked DNC debacle), that America felt safer with a Real estate mogul/Reality Show host. Trump is on the White House BECAUSE of the staggering stupidity and fucking ineptness of the Democratic party and HRC, who have NO discernible policies at all - except spite, greed, self-entitlement, and exploiting social division. Yeah, there's a winning combo. And you complain about Trump? lol!

Suggesting Trump would have these 'long standing policies' is silly - why would he have them? He's not a politician. He also hasn't spent years crafting robotic sound bites like the lifetime politicians do. He's new to this and clumsy, what were you expecting, more cliche'd soundbites and false smiles? It's funny how everyone seemed to enjoy Trump as a celebrity - until he got elected and the Dems, whom he used to heavily support, began dumping on him because he curb-stomped Hillary, who couldn't even be bothered to stump in the swing states her own husband urged her to. But Trump did, and he won them. He our hustled her. OH the horror of hard work versus entitlement!I guess you have a problem with people working harder than their self-entitled opponent. Hey, there's a lesson for the youth of America. Now, everything shady thing the Dems do, they try to accuse Trump of to divert attention away. Biden's shady son getting exposed and the predictable Ukraine BS is more proof. Pelosi and her ilk, who waste time and money trying to embarrass a sitting President who was elected fair and square, will go down as some of the most petulant and despicable people in the history of American politics, who will grind the gov to a halt out of nothing more than spite. Can anyone educate us on what her policies are, besides disrupting the entire political arena on charges that will never go anywhere, and she knows it? Spite and self-entitlement seem to be her policies, oh, and f*ck the American taxpayers while you're at it.

And you're worried about "Trump's personality'. Utterly fucking priceless.

[Donn Beach]

Reagan was a long term democrat, you make it sound like its bad to have actually developed a philosophy on issues. That does seem to be the attraction of Trump, its not about understanding what his thinking is, its that he hasn't thought about it in the first place. Its interesting where we have come to as a country. Seems like Jimmy Carter was a similar reaction on the Democratic side, an outsider, unsoiled by DC politics, though i believe Jimmy is a deeper thinker

I am worried about his personality?...where did i say that?


there is a guy that spent time thinking about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY

[D-train]

So questioning the administration's foreign policy makes you a liberal democrat Obama lover, ok if you say so. Though I might point out there are a few fairly conservative types that have some questions. This country was founded on debating issues, particularly foreign policy, and that within political parties. I know you Trumpsters find that hard to believe, for you it seems to be more about your bromance than actual issues. As for me, I might point out none of you actually know me. For all your complaining you like to do, you sure like to make assumptions about others. I am not a democrat, and I don't know if i am anymore liberal than an actual Libertarian, a terms that gets tossed around here, but i get the feeling a lot of you don't actually grasp. in terms of Obama, i was troubled by things he did, maybe more troubled by how he went about doing them, and that really was a continuation of things that were troubling with the Bush administration. The issues involved span parties and administrations, they get more to the crux of the office of the president. Its not so much, who is in the drivers seat, as it is the drivers seat itself. In terms of the Obama administration, I would call this, "the chickens coming home to roost". In any event, you guys can go ahead and bitch about the media or however you like to pass the time...

and if you don't understand what I am getting at, you might ask Mike Lee, there is an actual conservative, someone who believes in original intent, and understands it, and yeah, Lee blasted Obama for sidestepping the constitution, i tend to agree, but now we have the ground work for every president after Obama and Bush to do the same.

https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index ... 57587AEB09

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/09/79488926 ... rbs-on-tru

https://www.heritage.org/the-constituti ... ress-needs

First you get upset that I call Iranians morons for shooting down a domestic airliner then you call us all Trumpsters.

I wasn't upset about that, it wasn't the first time that had happened in that part of the world, Americans blew it too, plenty of morons to go around. Trumpsters, I think that was fair, this to me has always been more about the man himself than the republican party, or being conservative, it has to do with Trump's perceived populism. Both the positive and the negative i feel are more about his personality, than an actual defined set of beliefs. This is not Reagan we are talking about. Reagan had personality, and there were Reaganites, didn't think they felt offended by it, but Reagan also had a defined political philosophy, he spent years before being elected carefully establishing. I do not put Trump in that same category

Technology has advanced a bit since 1988. I am not a fan of Trump the person and would never be friends with someone like that but what I hate is how the left takes the opposite side of every single thing he does. If he hadn't done anything in response to the Embassy attack they would have been all over him for that just like they were when he pulled troops out of of Syria. Oh that's right, you were critical of that as well. Shocking.

This inane notion that he did it as a distraction from the Senate trial which will acquit him is beyond absurd and the same tired old tactics of a group of people that little nothing left but their Trump derangement syndrome to drive their strategy.

[Donn Beach]

ok, personally, in the long run, i am doubtful of it being a wise thing to do...that is my feeling. For years Soleimani taunted the west to kill him, now someone has done it. I think he was happy to be a martyr, felt it was his highest and most productive use, we did it for him