Another Tranny Mass Shooting

[DanielVogelbach]

I don't believe in God.

And I couldn't give 2 fucks what people attribute to a make believe sky daddy. Much less giving that make believe sky daddy the ridiculous right to grant rights to humans.

Humans evolved and made the societies we know today so that the species could flourish. They laid the blueprint without the divine word of "God" there to control them.

You're conflating the issue. The point is that nobody has the right to bind you to a contract that you didn't consent to.

Forget about the idea of God, consider the idea that your rights don't come from anybody... you are born with your rights. Those rights are very simple. Nobody has the right to cause you harm unless they are defending themselves from your aggression. That's it. Natural Law.

[Seattle or Bust]

I don't believe in God.

And I couldn't give 2 fucks what people attribute to a make believe sky daddy. Much less giving that make believe sky daddy the ridiculous right to grant rights to humans.

Humans evolved and made the societies we know today so that the species could flourish. They laid the blueprint without the divine word of "God" there to control them.

You're conflating the issue. The point is that nobody has the right to bind you to a contract that you didn't consent to.

Forget about the idea of God, consider the idea that your rights don't come from anybody... you are born with your rights. Those rights are very simple. Nobody has the right to cause you harm unless they are defending themselves from your aggression. That's it. Natural Law.

Ya that’s just BS. It doesn’t comport with reality. Fantasy land.

[DanielVogelbach]

Ya that’s just BS. It doesn’t comport with reality. Fantasy land.

What on earth are you referring to? The fantasy land is that there are people who would go through the trouble to gain power over you and then act in your best interest. The fantasy land is that it's moral to rob your neighbor by threatening them with violence.

I am only stating facts.

Nobody has the right to force a peaceful person to do anything without their consent. Do you disagree?

Do you think you have the right to rape your neighbor? Is it okay if you get your friends to rape your neighbor on your behalf? Is it okay if you elect a representative to go rape your neighbor?

There is no fantasy land, because I am just breaking down reality and you're having issues with it... That's actually a really good thing. I was the same way when people first started introducing the concepts of objective morality and explaining to me why statism is both illegitimate and immoral. We all go kicking and screaming.

Everybody thinks we need "government" until you learn what "government" actually is. the only reason for government is so that some people can do things that would otherwise be seen as criminal and everyone will go along with it. You don't need "government" for any other reason.

I urge you to check out "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose.

Or check out his movie "The Jones Plantation"... \

It's irrefutable, man. you can advocate for violent aggression against your neighbors all you want... doesn't make it moral.

[DanielVogelbach]

The difference between organized crime and government is very simple. With organized crime, the public views the members of the group as bad people. With government, they pledge allegiance to the flag....

[DanielVogelbach]

It's just another Tranny Shooting (Ooh-oh)
Wish they were just looting (Ooh-oh)
What are these trannies doing? (Ooh-oh)
Which genders are they choosing? (Ooh)
It's just another Tranny Shooting

[bpj]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

[Seattle or Bust]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

And?

Religious propaganda written in a time where 99% of people shared the same delusional belief.

Prove God exists and I'll fall in line. It's gonna take a whole lot more than a bunch of pretentious, corrupt men claiming they know what God says and book of a bunch of stolen or made up stories to do it.

[bpj]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

And?

Religious propaganda written in a time where 99% of people shared the same delusional belief.

Prove God exists and I'll fall in line. It's gonna take a whole lot more than a bunch of pretentious, corrupt men claiming they know what God says and book of a bunch of stolen or made up stories to do it.

Do you think when 99% believed the same things, it was because they were less intelligent or discerning than people these days? Just went along with the crowd?

I don't think anyone can prove God exists to someone else because the entire point is faith.

A lot of people on your side only seem to believe in God once they realize how real evil actually is.

I grew up in church, never saw any "miracles" or had any particular feelings that proved to me God was real either. So, I drifted away, saw what I needed to of the world. To me, I'd always felt like all the rules and commandments, all just too hard to get through this life and make it anyways, why even try? It wasn't until I actually studied myself that I realized that being "Christian" boils down to Romans 10:9, "If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." It's not some impossible obstacle course.

It took actually realizing that there's less than 1% chance that Jesus Christ wasn't real (that % according to Grok), based on historical evidence, and that the lineages are documented and show that people like Abraham also existed before I realized the Bible wasn't just some book. The people weren't fictional. The people of the Middle East still live and fight based on their lineages from Abraham. Israel even claims they have a right to the land because of it.

What has happened is western countries have fallen away (or been pushed) from believing in God because we're too pre-occupied with phones, tv shows, and thinking we don't need anything else.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all rely on the Bible. Islam adds on the Quran to their belief in the Bible. Muslims believe Jesus was a great prophet and will return. Judaism adds on the Talmud (the teachings of the Pharisees) to the Torah (which is only the first 5 books of the Bible. Jews deny Christ was the messiah, which is why the Bible- the part they don't believe in- calls them antichrists.)

I don't think anyone's talking anyone into believing in God. Just a journey each person takes on their own, or not.

It's like me saying, "Well, prove God doesn't exist and I'll fall in line and start doing degenerate stuff too."

[Seattle or Bust]

And?

Religious propaganda written in a time where 99% of people shared the same delusional belief.

Prove God exists and I'll fall in line. It's gonna take a whole lot more than a bunch of pretentious, corrupt men claiming they know what God says and book of a bunch of stolen or made up stories to do it.

Do you think when 99% believed the same things, it was because they were less intelligent or discerning than people these days? Just went along with the crowd?

I don't think anyone can prove God exists to someone else because the entire point is faith.

A lot of people on your side only seem to believe in God once they realize how real evil actually is.

I grew up in church, never saw any "miracles" or had any particular feelings that proved to me God was real either. So, I drifted away, saw what I needed to of the world. To me, I'd always felt like all the rules and commandments, all just too hard to get through this life and make it anyways, why even try? It wasn't until I actually studied myself that I realized that being "Christian" boils down to Romans 10:9, "If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." It's not some impossible obstacle course.

It took actually realizing that there's less than 1% chance that Jesus Christ wasn't real (that % according to Grok), based on historical evidence, and that the lineages are documented and show that people like Abraham also existed before I realized the Bible wasn't just some book. The people weren't fictional. The people of the Middle East still live and fight based on their lineages from Abraham. Israel even claims they have a right to the land because of it.

What has happened is western countries have fallen away (or been pushed) from believing in God because we're too pre-occupied with phones, tv shows, and thinking we don't need anything else.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all rely on the Bible. Islam adds on the Quran to their belief in the Bible. Muslims believe Jesus was a great prophet and will return. Judaism adds on the Talmud (the teachings of the Pharisees) to the Torah (which is only the first 5 books of the Bible. Jews deny Christ was the messiah, which is why the Bible- the part they don't believe in- calls them antichrists.)

I don't think anyone's talking anyone into believing in God. Just a journey each person takes on their own, or not.

It's like me saying, "Well, prove God doesn't exist and I'll fall in line and start doing degenerate stuff too."

I actually really appreciate that sentiment. Very honest. Good post.

I am of the belief that humans can be smart enough to follow societal expectations for behavior at least to some level (then enters the government). IMO you shouldn't need God or religion to learn basic societal norms for interactions. I think society should work on developing better people than getting them to be obedient because they're afraid of Hell. This involves reducing poverty, reducing food insecurity, educating people, and giving people more opportunities in life... I think this will reduce the instances of lived, daily, violence and trauma that lead to people making the choices this person on the bus made.

I think it's up for debate what has caused western countries to "fall" as you put it... or whether western countries have fallen. Just 200 years ago we had people in chains. Just 100 years ago women couldn't vote. Just 80 years ago black people couldn't use the same bathrooms or water fountains as white people... couldn't sit on busses... were being lynched left and right. I look back on those time periods and think things must have been pretty abhorrent... religion existed and it didn't get in the way of those things happening. Rape, crime, what have you probably happened all over the place... the difference is no cameras existed and a lot of bad shit was buried.

We just have to make better people.

[DanielVogelbach]

I don't care what's written in the Constitution... nobody's rights come from a piece of paper. They come from natural law. Do no harm. Do not use force unless acting in self-defense.

The Constitution wasn't implemented with the consent of the people. No "government" ever is. It's always imposed with force.

I want Seattle or Bust to answer the questions..

#1 - Where did YOU get the right to vote for someone that tells ME what to do?

#2 - Why do you want that right? Why not just let me do whatever I want if I'm not causing anyone any harm?

There is no such thing as "government".

"Government" is just a label used to legitimize criminal behavior. Get out of the flag-waving statist cult. You're smart enough to do it!

Human nature is human nature. The free market can't be made better by putting people in charge and then everyone obeying like cult member zombies. There is no magic fairy dust called "government" that makes people take power over you and then act in your best interest.