PFF grades thread

[trharder]

We average 3.6 yards per carry. At this point last year? 4.5 per carry. Yeah, what a HUGE step forward by this O Line.
The offense is still pretty shitty, only now? It also has zero chance at being explosive because we are so scared or our own shadow we won't allow it.
This is humorous, how badly we want to believe that John Schneider isn't full of shit, we look at shit like this and act like somehow someway? This O Line isn't still dogshit?

At this point, the glass is certainly 1/2 full. You can stick with your talking points, MK, and you will, but they are on
the verge of aging badly.

[Michael K.]

At this point, the glass is certainly 1/2 full. You can stick with your talking points, MK, and you will, but they are on
the verge of aging badly.

Why? You watched us against two divisional opponents and saw a game plan that will be sustainable? 88 yards passing in over 58 minutes of football against the Niners and THAT fourth quarter against the Cards, and you see a flaw in my criticism of the offensive philosophy? OK.

You look at a team that believes it's run first, averaging just over 3.5 per carry, and don't see a flaw? You see those O Line grades and believe that we actually were just a Zabel and Kubiak away from being the dominant run team that JS and MM told us we would be? OK.

[auroraave]

At this point, the glass is certainly 1/2 full. You can stick with your talking points, MK, and you will, but they are on
the verge of aging badly.

Why? You watched us against two divisional opponents and saw a game plan that will be sustainable? 88 yards passing in over 58 minutes of football against the Niners and THAT fourth quarter against the Cards, and you see a flaw in my criticism of the offensive philosophy? OK.

You look at a team that believes it's run first, averaging just over 3.5 per carry, and don't see a flaw? You see those O Line grades and believe that we actually were just a Zabel and Kubiak away from being the dominant run team that JS and MM told us we would be? OK.

Dude - you literally have Schneider Derangement Syndrome. You are embarrassing yourself at this point. I don't mean any disrespect by this - but Jesus Christ - you have some insane hate for the guy - so EVERY ONE of your posts are meant to serve that narrative - that somehow "every single thing is JS's fault". You do realize that Seattle tied for the division title last year and lost it on a technicality - right? That Geno blew at least one game that would've been the difference maker. Seattle is one of the hottest teams in the league - his drafts have been killer since he got out from under PC - he picked up the best FA QB - the team is tied for first place in the division - and yet, somehow you are pissed at John Schneider? Might be time for a reality check. Are they perfect? No. All you are doing is desperately looking for a way to push this silly narrative that "JS sucks" - it ain't working. Dying on that hill is a pretty questionable choice. This relentless hate you have for him doesn't make him look bad, it makes YOU look bad. Figure it out already. My God your posts about him are just so ridiculously toxic and so off the mark and so tone deaf to reality - because you so badly "want to be right." Good luck with that.

And please don't bother with the usual "OMG I am not allowed to criticize JS because he's your hero" nonsense - you aren't a victim of oppression here and no one idolizes him. Gross exaggerations do not make my points invalid.

[D-train]

Hawks have the 2nd highest Point differential in the NFL at +44 only behind the Lions who are at +49. I hope the run game gets going and they are more aggressive on offense but that seems pretty good.

[Michael K.]

At this point, the glass is certainly 1/2 full. You can stick with your talking points, MK, and you will, but they are on
the verge of aging badly.

Why? You watched us against two divisional opponents and saw a game plan that will be sustainable? 88 yards passing in over 58 minutes of football against the Niners and THAT fourth quarter against the Cards, and you see a flaw in my criticism of the offensive philosophy? OK.

You look at a team that believes it's run first, averaging just over 3.5 per carry, and don't see a flaw? You see those O Line grades and believe that we actually were just a Zabel and Kubiak away from being the dominant run team that JS and MM told us we would be? OK.

Dude - you literally have Schneider Derangement Syndrome. You are embarrassing yourself at this point. I don't mean any disrespect by this - but Jesus Christ - you have some insane hate for the guy - so EVERY ONE of your posts are meant to serve that narrative - that somehow "every single thing is JS's fault". You do realize that Seattle tied for the division title last year and lost it on a technicality - right? That Geno blew at least one game that would've been the difference maker. Seattle is one of the hottest teams in the league - his drafts have been killer since he got out from under PC - he picked up the best FA QB - the team is tied for first place in the division - and yet, somehow you are pissed at John Schneider? Might be time for a reality check. Are they perfect? No. All you are doing is desperately looking for a way to push this silly narrative that "JS sucks" - it ain't working. Dying on that hill is a pretty questionable choice. This relentless hate you have for him doesn't make him look bad, it makes YOU look bad. Figure it out already. My God your posts about him are just so ridiculously toxic and so off the mark and so tone deaf to reality - because you so badly "want to be right." Good luck with that.

And please don't bother with the usual "OMG I am not allowed to criticize JS because he's your hero" nonsense - you aren't a victim of oppression here and no one idolizes him. Gross exaggerations do not make my points invalid.

Every single thing? What is my talking point besides the O Line? The fact that we still have a shitty O Line, and have damn near every season he has been here? That's not relevant discussion on a Seahawk forum?

I'm not desperately seeking shit dude, simply haven't seen any evidence that he has a clue how to build an O Line, and the way we play offense now? That aint good. Come at me with something that attacks my point for once, instead of simply attacking me and telling me everything I do that is so very wrong!

[Michael K.]

Hawks have the 2nd highest Point differential in the NFL at +44 only behind the Lions who are at +49. I hope the run game gets going and they are more aggressive on offense but that seems pretty good.

And with all of that? We damn near blew the last game to be .500. Blowing out a real bad team skews that some, don't you think?

They won't get more aggressive on offense, which is fine, it's there style. It's what this organization wants, which is why they hired a guy that was basically a younger version of the guy they fired.

[Donn Beach]

Hawks have the 2nd highest Point differential in the NFL at +44 only behind the Lions who are at +49. I hope the run game gets going and they are more aggressive on offense but that seems pretty good.

I was thinking about the differential reading this Seaside Joe article.

Seahawks are biggest threat to overthrow the NFC
John Schneider's masterclass on flipping over a defense and an offense in 2 steps in less than 2 years

You look at what they have done the last two seasons, since Pete was canned. Remember how shitty the defense was that last season of Pete's? MM has put together what's amounting to an elite defense with many of the same players Pete had.

In the final 9 games of 2023, the Seahawks defense ranked:

29th in points allowed

32nd in rushing yards allowed

32nd in YPC allowed (5.2)

32nd in rushing TD allowed (17)

28th in passer rating allowed (97.8)

31st in completion rate allowed

Even the passer rating is generous because teams didn’t have a need to throw for touchdowns against a defense that was so soft against the run.

Macdonald inherited the worst defense in the NFL and left the best defense in the NFL for Seattle’s job, which to Schneider’s credit he was willing to wait to offer until the Ravens were eliminated in the AFC Championship game. That wait caused the Seahawks to miss out on some potential offensive coordinator hires that would have been better than Ryan Grubb, but allowed Seattle to get the most influential defensive coach in modern football.

And then the next season to turn Smith into Darnald on the offensive side, and its not just the performance, its the cap angle as well.

In 2022, the Seahawks fleeced the Broncos. In 2025, it’s not the same kind of fleecing but check this out:

Geno’s new cap hit in 2025 is $40 million

Darnold’s is $13.4 million

Geno has $18.5 million guaranteed in 2026

Darnold has $0 guaranteed in 2026

The Seahawks didn’t want any part of that and less than a month into his new job the “put in Kenny Pickett” talk isn’t from fringe Raiders fans, it’s also beat writers.

But what is maybe even more interesting is the future possibilities. Darnald is young and cheap, they are going into next season with the most cap space in the league.

Trading Geno was cited as a “terrible move” by mainstream media, some called it the sign of a full teardown by Seattle. Now they just sort of pretend like they always liked Sam Darnold, and by the way the Raiders aren’t the only team feeling the impact of the offseason QB carousel.

The Vikings either got cheap or scared, maybe letting the media boo-birds influence their decision to let Darnold leave in free agency because of his last two starts in Minnesota despite an MVP-caliber season. Yes, J.J. McCarthy was drafted to be the future but so what? You don’t go to the future, it comes to you.


The Vikings had an elite team last year with Darnold and they gifted him to the free agent market over a contract that would have paid him less money this year than T.J. Hockenson, Brian O’Neill, and Jonathan Greenard. Correct me if I’m wrong, but does this happen…ever?

Its really been pretty remarkable how JS has kept "the plates spinning" terms of a legit qb. And he's done it without investing either much money or draft capital, RS's second contract has been it

https://www.seasidejoe.com/p/seahawks-m ... am-darnold

[D-train]

Hawks have the 2nd highest Point differential in the NFL at +44 only behind the Lions who are at +49. I hope the run game gets going and they are more aggressive on offense but that seems pretty good.

And with all of that? We damn near blew the last game to be .500. Blowing out a real bad team skews that some, don't you think?

They won't get more aggressive on offense, which is fine, it's there style. It's what this organization wants, which is why they hired a guy that was basically a younger version of the guy they fired.

Yeah I hated that 4th quarter as much as you as I mentioned. Saints lost to us by 31 and to the Cards, 49ers and Bills by an average of 8 points.

We are a TD vs. the 49ers away from 4-0. Everything evens out imo.

[Donn Beach]

MM is catching heat for it, the guy is in his second season as a HC, I view him as a work in progress. Its not really fair to compare him to a guy that has been around forever like PC. And the fact is he's more aggressive than Pete. I think for as little as he's been a HC he's accomplished a lot, particularly in terms of culture building which i give weight to. There are things to complain about and there are things to feel happy about.

He's Seaside on the three things he feels need to be addressed...

Get someone else the ball

He doesn't think they are spreading the ball around enough

It’s not that there is anything inherently wrong with a heavy concentration of targets to one or two players because you’ve got good teams that do that (Rams, Seahawks, Eagles, Bucs) and good teams that spread it around (Bills, Packers, Steelers). But for me the there has to be a question answered of whether Seattle is doing this intentionally or if it’s just how the first four games have flowed and whether or not it is a reflection of how the QB/coaches feel about every weapon who is not JSN.

Mike Macdonald has to be more aggressive on fourth down for Kubiak’s sake

be more aggressive

I can respect and appreciate an old school coach who sees the benefit to a cautious approach at midfield, either on the edge of field goal range or when you have a chance to close out the game, but Macdonald can’t forget the people who he is potentially hurting by punting or kicking in all of these situations:

Klint Kubiak, Sam Darnold, the offensive line, and the rest of the players.

Don’t let the sixth time they try to convert 4th down all season be in the NFC Divisional playoffs. There’s good reason to believe that players and coaches need to be experienced well before they have to go against the Lions and Eagles for the most high-pressured play of their entire season in the playoffs! Now is the best time to start to get comfortable with those intense situations.

Cut down on the missed tackles

This one was pretty surprising to me, hadn't realized it

The Seahawks had 95 missed tackles in 2024, an average of 5.6 per game. Their average in 2025 is 8 per game.
That’s a huge swing. Last season’s best teams in missed tackles were unsurprisingly many of the best teams that made the playoffs (Steelers, Ravens, Broncos, Vikings, Commanders, Lions were top-6) and many of the worst teams were disasters (Raiders, Panthers, Saints, Jets).

So whether or not you feel this missed tackle rate could be the downfall of the defense — it probably isn’t — it’s fair to say that the fourth-most missed tackles in the league is not what Macdonald is coaching. All they have to do is clean it up.

https://www.seasidejoe.com/p/3-things-t ... ld-address

[Donn Beach]

Ravens fans would be happy to have MM back, things aren't going well there these days

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