Postmortem: Sea v TB - Throwback Edition

[trharder]

Terms of plays Milroe ran in preseason, they weren't going to show anything he was going to be running during the season. You aren't giving that away. I think you are making way too much as that being some sort of practice for the regular season. They are running those plays in practice, not preseason games.

If Milroe's value is in some sort of magic trick you have to avoid people seeing in preseason to work, it was a
turrible idea to start with. The fact is, since he's been on the Seahawks, we haven't seen but maybe one scramble
during preseason. The guy's not really a runner. True runners just end up doing it on a whim when the opportuinity
presents. Most of us are old enough to remember rookie Russell Wilson demanding with his play the starting QB
position for the Seahawks, against all odds. Russ ran all over the place during his preseason chances. It wasn't a plan,
it was who he was. Milroe is more like Seneca Wallace, who constantly received wishful thinking that he was going
to do something positive with his legs "because he's so athletic", but in a pinch all he did is run backward out of
bounds. Slow ass Hasselbeck was the better scrambler of the two.

If they insist on having Milroe on the active roster for a game, he should be playing special teams. Let him prove
his grit and willingness. Right now I see a scared kid who is going to fuck up and cost you. Why push that?

[Donn Beach]

MM claimed before the final preseason game that they had created a package of plays for Milroe to run during the regular season. If in fact that was even true they aren't going to display them in the preseason, they just aren't. Whether it was true or not, or the plays were good or not, the point of the thing is making it more difficult for the other team to prepare for them. Sorry but for all the things we debate here i don't see the argument about that. Having Milroe start that game had nothing to do with anything other than the experience of starting a NFL game. Pre-season is totally vanilla. At most its an opportunity to evaluate players on the bubble. Teams are not displaying developments in their offenses they plan to use during the regular season. I think teams, if they had the ability would do away with preseason games all together. I think they would find scrimmaging more valuable. Sorry, but i don't think there is much I hold in lower regard than preseason NFL games, they are pretty much worthless far as I am concerned. Mostly just a way for the league to squeeze more money out of their season ticket holders

[Donn Beach]

Mahomes accused of throwing his teammates under the bus, but he is right. The talent is so even on NFL teams, its often not talent that decides a game, its mistakes

“We have the guys and we’ve executed at certain points in games and looked really good, but we crush ourselves with penalties and mistakes," Mahomes added. "We’ve done that to ourselves all season long. It’s been one guy here or there. In this league, it’s so close that those [moments] change games."

[Michael K.]

MM claimed before the final preseason game that they had created a package of plays for Milroe to run during the regular season. If in fact that was even true they aren't going to display them in the preseason, they just aren't. Whether it was true or not, or the plays were good or not, the point of the thing is making it more difficult for the other team to prepare for them.

Again, then why don't they all just line up in the I Formation and run blast plays for sixty minutes? You really think that running the plays he might actually run in the Pre-Season means that the other team is just simply going to know exactly what he does now? I'd say it's less likely, since it gives them more to have to prepare for. Add in the fact that NOTHING he has done in the regular season has worked and I'd say that was a stupid fucking theory.

Sorry but for all the things we debate here i don't see the argument about that. Having Milroe start that game had nothing to do with anything other than the experience of starting a NFL game. Pre-season is totally vanilla. At most its an opportunity to evaluate players on the bubble. Teams are not displaying developments in their offenses they plan to use during the regular season. I think teams, if they had the ability would do away with preseason games all together. I think they would find scrimmaging more valuable. Sorry, but i don't think there is much I hold in lower regard than preseason NFL games, they are pretty much worthless far as I am concerned. Mostly just a way for the league to squeeze more money out of their season ticket holders

Bullshit. If that was the case than they wouldn't play anyone that they know is going to make the team. Having a QB run an offense in the Pre-Season, for an ENTIRE, that is nothing close to what he is actually going to do in the game? Again, might as well have your Punter play QB so that the other team doesn't get a good look at your QB!

You want to believe it, so you will. But it hasn't worked, and not many besides you thought it would. Having him play an entire game in an offense he will never run during the regular season is beyond stupid. He isn't even the backup, Lock is.

[Donn Beach]

MM claimed before the final preseason game that they had created a package of plays for Milroe to run during the regular season. If in fact that was even true they aren't going to display them in the preseason, they just aren't. Whether it was true or not, or the plays were good or not, the point of the thing is making it more difficult for the other team to prepare for them.

Again, then why don't they all just line up in the I Formation and run blast plays for sixty minutes? You really think that running the plays he might actually run in the Pre-Season means that the other team is just simply going to know exactly what he does now? I'd say it's less likely, since it gives them more to have to prepare for. Add in the fact that NOTHING he has done in the regular season has worked and I'd say that was a stupid fucking theory.

Sorry but for all the things we debate here i don't see the argument about that. Having Milroe start that game had nothing to do with anything other than the experience of starting a NFL game. Pre-season is totally vanilla. At most its an opportunity to evaluate players on the bubble. Teams are not displaying developments in their offenses they plan to use during the regular season. I think teams, if they had the ability would do away with preseason games all together. I think they would find scrimmaging more valuable. Sorry, but i don't think there is much I hold in lower regard than preseason NFL games, they are pretty much worthless far as I am concerned. Mostly just a way for the league to squeeze more money out of their season ticket holders

Bullshit. If that was the case than they wouldn't play anyone that they know is going to make the team. Having a QB run an offense in the Pre-Season, for an ENTIRE, that is nothing close to what he is actually going to do in the game? Again, might as well have your Punter play QB so that the other team doesn't get a good look at your QB!

You want to believe it, so you will. But it hasn't worked, and not many besides you thought it would. Having him play an entire game in an offense he will never run during the regular season is beyond stupid. He isn't even the backup, Lock is.

this is defiantly something we are going to disagree about, who did they play that made the team? Milroe was out there with fourth stringers. there is nothing to do but run the most basic offense, it is practically just running blast plays. How would you work on an offense with nobody that's a starter out there with him? The reason he was out there was because there wasn't a reason to have either Danard or Lock out there. It's nothing but an exhibition game that has nothing to do with preparing an offense, nothing. Go look at the scrimmage's, was that the Packers? That was actually starters against starters, that was actual training. Exhibition games are worthless other than getting a look at bubble players. That is something I am strongly opinionated about. I am surprised you buy into them this much

[Michael K.]

this is defiantly something we are going to disagree about, who did they play that made the team? Milroe was out there with fourth stringers. there is nothing to do but run the most basic offense, it is practically just running blast plays. How would you work on an offense with nobody that's a starter out there with him? The reason he was out there was because there wasn't a reason to have either Danard or Lock out there. It's nothing but an exhibition game that has nothing to do with preparing an offense, nothing. Go look at the scrimmage's, was that the Packers? That was actually starters against starters, that was actual training. Exhibition games are worthless other than getting a look at bubble players. That is something I am strongly opinionated about. I am surprised you buy into them this much

Then you made the argument for me. The ONLY reason he was out there was because the other two QBs are more valuable than he is. Which means there is zero reason to install ANY offense for him during the regular season...unless somehow they believe they needed to justify the pick. Which would be dumb, because no one would have batted an eye if he was simply wearing a ball cap and holding a clipboard all year.

Using a fucking QB in a regular season game, to run plays he has never run in anything but a practice? Is dumb. He fumbled his tush push play, but in the Pre-Season looked above average on designed runs and occasionally when they moved the pocket. Those are the types of plays he would run in an actual game. They ran those fucking plays the first two games when he played. How in the name of fucking God would it have been giving things away if they did it again in the last one!?

It wasn't running simple blast plays. He ran an offense that only Darnold and Lock would run during the season unless both of those guys are hurt. And even then? I highly doubt THAT is the offense they call if they have to turn to Milroe. Based on what you are saying, in game three of the Pre-Season we should play everyone in different roles, just so our opponents don't get more tape of them playing their actual positions. Dickson at QB, Murphy at Center, Bobo at TE. That will really throw off all those guys scouting us right? Good Lord.

At the very least, you have to agree that withholding a read option so we could have it cost us a ball game during the regular season is fucking dumb. But I'm sure you'll find a way to justify that.

[Donn Beach]

And the fact is I doubt he has had much chance to really practice them, not with the first unit which is what it would take, that to me is the issue. He isn't practicing with the first unit. I have no idea what its about but having him run that option in an exhibition game with fourth stringers isn't making a difference to me. For me that game was a big nothing burger. It just doesn't have any importance one way or the other far as I am concerned