Adding contact, and doing it cheaply. Off Szn Plan 1.0

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Re: Adding contact, and doing it cheaply. Off Szn Plan 1.0

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sat Nov 01, 2025 3:47 am

desbcoach wrote:
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Could be the plan at 3B next year is to start the year with Williamson and he either hits his weight at least and keeps it or to have Emerson come up in July or August to take it over - assuming he doesn't shit the bed the first few months in AAA.
This might just be my wishful thinking, but I believe that we will see an Emerson vs Williamson battle for 3rd base during ST.

In order to be considered a contender I think that the M's cannot go into 2026 with essentially 2 rookies as everyday players (Emerson / Williamson and Young).

Polanco almost HAS to be resigned.
Again Toronto has Barger, Lukes and Clement all rookies playing major roles in playoffs and starting.
???

Barger is 25 and played 69 games in 2024.

Lukes is 30 and had cups of coffee in both '23 and '24.

Clement is 29... he played 210 games from '21-'23. He put up 3.4 bWAR and played 139 games in 2024.

Comparing them to Colt Emerson, a just-turned 20 YO with 224 games of minor league experience is crazy.

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Post by GL_Storm » Sat Nov 01, 2025 4:07 am

Emerson hasn't done anything yet in the minors to make us think he's ready to play a major role next season. He's made encouraging progress, but if he's with the major league team next year, I wouldn't expect much production. It's more likely he'll be overmatched.

What really worries me is that he'll pound the ball into the ground like Julio and never really learn how to elevate.

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Post by Seattle or Bust » Sat Nov 01, 2025 4:09 am

GL_Storm wrote:
Sat Nov 01, 2025 4:07 am
Emerson hasn't done anything yet in the minors to make us think he's ready to play a major role next season. He's made encouraging progress, but if he's with the major league team next year, I wouldn't expect much production. It's more likely he'll be overmatched.

What really worries me is that he'll pound the ball into the ground like Julio and never really learn how to elevate.
Regardless, any plans made for the '26 MLB roster do not even consider for one second that Colt Emerson exists.

Any plans made for the '26 MLB roster should give like 5% consideration that Williamson exists. He needs to go down to AAA and smash the cover off the baseball or he can F right off.

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Post by bpj » Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:33 am

It's disappointing we even have to wonder if Young, Williamson or Emerson could have a starting position going into next season.

But we already know Dipoto doesn't have the "Go for it!" mentality. Personally I think it's because he's a loser.

Afterall, since 2023 the team has a record of 262-224.

You guessed it, bros.

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Post by Seattle or Bust » Sat Nov 01, 2025 4:08 pm

I think the M's will always look at budgeted control vs taking a chunk out of the farm for one year of a player.

What if the M's traded for Joe Ryan and the Twins added someone like Royce Lewis for a package of prospects?

Lewis has faced a lot of injuries and has been sort of mid the last 2 years... but he's 26 and controlled through 2028.

Ryan isn't Skubal, but I'm not sure the M's need Skubal.

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Post by D-train » Sat Nov 01, 2025 5:33 pm

Bil522 wrote:
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Signing Naylor and Polanco alone is going to bring you back up to last years payroll. Do you really think they are going to increase their Payroll by 30 Million to bring in someone like Schwarber?
Would I trade Castillo's $24M for Schwarbers $24M though? Yes.

I have zero expectations that Dipoto will acknowledge Schwarber even exists, of course.
See this was our problem and Schwarber, while helping, would add to the current stupidity. Everyone loves a homerun, BUT YOU CAN'T LIVE ON THE HOME RUN ALONE...YOU NEED PEOPLE ON BASE AHEAD OF THE HOME RUN HITTERS. You have to have balance in the lineup which is why people are interested in getting a Kwan or Donovan because they get on base better than most of our team does.
WE HAD THE 4TH HIGHEST OBP IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE AND WERE 4TH IN RUNS. HOW IS THAT LIVING ON HOME RUNS ALONE???
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Post by D-train » Sat Nov 01, 2025 5:36 pm

GL_Storm wrote:
Sat Nov 01, 2025 4:07 am
Emerson hasn't done anything yet in the minors to make us think he's ready to play a major role next season. He's made encouraging progress, but if he's with the major league team next year, I wouldn't expect much production. It's more likely he'll be overmatched.

What really worries me is that he'll pound the ball into the ground like Julio and never really learn how to elevate.
Yep I would expect about a .650 OPS.
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Post by D-train » Sat Nov 01, 2025 5:42 pm

bpj wrote:
Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:33 am
It's disappointing we even have to wonder if Young, Williamson or Emerson could have a starting position going into next season.

But we already know Dipoto doesn't have the "Go for it!" mentality. Personally I think it's because he's a loser.

Afterall, since 2023 the team has a record of 262-224.

You guessed it, bros.

54%

We've reached the apex of baseball. What more could you want? We should really be thankful, peons.
Jerry's goal was to keep his job as long as possible and he has done an amazing job at it. A decade long run is pretty rare.
Brian Cashman of the New York Yankees is the longest-tenured MLB general manager, having been in the role since 1998. Other long-serving GMs include John Mozeliak of the Cardinals, whose tenure began in 2004, and Mike Rizzo of the Nationals, who was hired in 2009.
Brian Cashman (Yankees): Hired in 1998, he is the longest-serving general manager in the league.
John Mozeliak (Cardinals): Has been with the Cardinals for a long time, with his tenure beginning in 2004.
Mike Rizzo (Nationals): Took over as general manager on March 4, 2009.
Andrew Friedman (Dodgers): His tenure started in October 2014.
Mark Shapiro (Blue Jays): Began his role in August 2015.
Jerry Dipoto (Mariners): Joined the Mariners in September 2015.
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Re: Adding contact, and doing it cheaply. Off Szn Plan 1.0

Post by bpj » Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:19 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Nov 01, 2025 5:33 pm
Bil522 wrote:
Sat Nov 01, 2025 1:40 am
bpj wrote:
Fri Oct 31, 2025 11:36 pm


Would I trade Castillo's $24M for Schwarbers $24M though? Yes.

I have zero expectations that Dipoto will acknowledge Schwarber even exists, of course.
See this was our problem and Schwarber, while helping, would add to the current stupidity. Everyone loves a homerun, BUT YOU CAN'T LIVE ON THE HOME RUN ALONE...YOU NEED PEOPLE ON BASE AHEAD OF THE HOME RUN HITTERS. You have to have balance in the lineup which is why people are interested in getting a Kwan or Donovan because they get on base better than most of our team does.
WE HAD THE 4TH HIGHEST OBP IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE AND WERE 4TH IN RUNS. HOW IS THAT LIVING ON HOME RUNS ALONE???
I just don't even get it from an OBP standpoint.

Schwarber was 16th in MLB in OBP. He just happens to mash also.

If you have a guy that has a good OBP but bad AVG, it can still make for a pretty good leadoff hitter. He's seeing pitches. And mashing when he gets ahold of one.

Yandy Diaz is 15th, and Ryan O'Hearn is 14th on the list and they're both probably available this offseason also.

Donovan was 32nd in MLB.

Kwan was 71st...

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Post by roosevelt » Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:46 pm

I feel negatively about the phrase "doing it cheaply".

M's success this year was basically a fluke. The league overall was average. This is usually is not the case. I don't understand the infatuation with Randy Arozarena.

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