D-Trains Off season plan

[D-train]

What's Donovan's trade value? What does a Miller for Donovan trade look like?

If you know how to read you will know. Both numbers are in this thread.

[Donn Beach]

What's Donovan's trade value? What does a Miller for Donovan trade look like?

If you know how to read you will know. Both numbers are in this thread.

You edited your original post... So about equal value, Miller seems like an interesting trade piece to me

[D-train]

What's Donovan's trade value? What does a Miller for Donovan trade look like?

If you know how to read you will know. Both numbers are in this thread.

You edited your original post... So about equal value, Miller seems like an interesting trade piece to me

Oh, sorry about that.

[Pharmabro]

How does it weaken your roster. You are trading a #3 for and Ace. Can't have a 6 man rotation with those guys.

I just don't see a roster with an unknown at 1B and Williamson at 3B complimenting the pitching staff in the way we need it to.

I'd like to add more sure things and keep the staff where it is than add Skubal and inevitably be trying to figure out what we're going to do at 3B and 1B at the AS break like we do every year.

I don't have faith Williamson or Okamoto at all.

Sure I get that. Too bad we don't have a ownership group that wants to win.

This is the old “opportunity cost” thing that comes up we could hope and pray that Williamson’s offensive improvement where he had a .314 average and an .854 OPS at season’s end. Or we could spend prospects to bring in: Brendan D, CJ, etc, etc or do we spend 20M -40M a year on Geno or Bregman.

Look you might be able to mine out a decent 3B performance from Ben, Rivas, Bliss, Colt, or Arroyo but if you go Ben 1st how long do you let him ride if he has an 79 OPS+? Maybe after 3.5 Months rotating failures through Colt comes up and performs. Are you still in playoff position by then?


The same opportunity cost kinda kills when we say look we got Skubal for X Y and Z, But now I want to add an elite BP guy: but now how do I fill 1B, 2B, and 3B?


I get what he is saying but I think there are avenues available and multiple ways to get the needed parts with the resources we have available. Just like the multiple offseason blueprints demonstrate.

[Donn Beach]

I just don't see a roster with an unknown at 1B and Williamson at 3B complimenting the pitching staff in the way we need it to.

I'd like to add more sure things and keep the staff where it is than add Skubal and inevitably be trying to figure out what we're going to do at 3B and 1B at the AS break like we do every year.

I don't have faith Williamson or Okamoto at all.

Sure I get that. Too bad we don't have a ownership group that wants to win.

This is the old “opportunity cost” thing that comes up we could hope and pray that Williamson’s offensive improvement where he had a .314 average and an .854 OPS at season’s end. Or we could spend prospects to bring in: Brendan D, CJ, etc, etc or do we spend 20M -40M a year on Geno or Bregman.

Look you might be able to mine out a decent 3B performance from Ben, Rivas, Bliss, Colt, or Arroyo but if you go Ben 1st how long do you let him ride if he has an 79 OPS+? Maybe after 3.5 Months rotating failures through Colt comes up and performs. Are you still in playoff position by then?


The same opportunity cost kinda kills when we say look we got Skubal for X Y and Z, But now I want to add an elite BP guy: but now how do I fill 1B, 2B, and 3B?


I get what he is saying but I think there are avenues available and multiple ways to get the needed parts with the resources we have available. Just like the multiple offseason blueprints demonstrate.

This is what I argued before, it wouldn't be about hoping and praying Williamson develops into a hitter. It's going with what he already is, a 2-2.5 WAR defensive 3rd baseman, a league average player. The deal being that seems like a pretty firm floor for him. I doubt his defense craters. You could go spend $10-15 MIL on a superior hitting player and be lucky they give you 2-2.5.WAR anyway. That gives you savings to apply elsewhere.

I wouldn't dismiss league average , even the dodgers, Yankees or whoever would be happy to get league average at some positions. And Williamson seems like a pretty safe league average at a modest cost.

And I don't care about 3rd being a power position. I think the four infield positions have leveled out. First has become more defensively oriented as SS has become more offensive. You can play for defense or offense at any of them these days

[D-train]

I just don't see a roster with an unknown at 1B and Williamson at 3B complimenting the pitching staff in the way we need it to.

I'd like to add more sure things and keep the staff where it is than add Skubal and inevitably be trying to figure out what we're going to do at 3B and 1B at the AS break like we do every year.

I don't have faith Williamson or Okamoto at all.

Sure I get that. Too bad we don't have a ownership group that wants to win.

This is the old “opportunity cost” thing that comes up we could hope and pray that Williamson’s offensive improvement where he had a .314 average and an .854 OPS at season’s end. Or we could spend prospects to bring in: Brendan D, CJ, etc, etc or do we spend 20M -40M a year on Geno or Bregman.

Look you might be able to mine out a decent 3B performance from Ben, Rivas, Bliss, Colt, or Arroyo but if you go Ben 1st how long do you let him ride if he has an 79 OPS+? Maybe after 3.5 Months rotating failures through Colt comes up and performs. Are you still in playoff position by then?


The same opportunity cost kinda kills when we say look we got Skubal for X Y and Z, But now I want to add an elite BP guy: but now how do I fill 1B, 2B, and 3B?


I get what he is saying but I think there are avenues available and multiple ways to get the needed parts with the resources we have available. Just like the multiple offseason blueprints demonstrate.

Sad truth is we have too many holes to adequately fill them all given the expected payroll. Some with have to be filled with duct tape and gauze pads as per usual.

[D-train]

[Seattle or Bust]

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-free-agent ... 23-mlb-1-B

A panel of MLB experts predict the M's to land Murakami

Not that, that means anything.

[GL_Storm]

Sure I get that. Too bad we don't have a ownership group that wants to win.

This is the old “opportunity cost” thing that comes up we could hope and pray that Williamson’s offensive improvement where he had a .314 average and an .854 OPS at season’s end. Or we could spend prospects to bring in: Brendan D, CJ, etc, etc or do we spend 20M -40M a year on Geno or Bregman.

Look you might be able to mine out a decent 3B performance from Ben, Rivas, Bliss, Colt, or Arroyo but if you go Ben 1st how long do you let him ride if he has an 79 OPS+? Maybe after 3.5 Months rotating failures through Colt comes up and performs. Are you still in playoff position by then?


The same opportunity cost kinda kills when we say look we got Skubal for X Y and Z, But now I want to add an elite BP guy: but now how do I fill 1B, 2B, and 3B?


I get what he is saying but I think there are avenues available and multiple ways to get the needed parts with the resources we have available. Just like the multiple offseason blueprints demonstrate.

This is what I argued before, it wouldn't be about hoping and praying Williamson develops into a hitter. It's going with what he already is, a 2-2.5 WAR defensive 3rd baseman, a league average player. The deal being that seems like a pretty firm floor for him. I doubt his defense craters. You could go spend $10-15 MIL on a superior hitting player and be lucky they give you 2-2.5.WAR anyway. That gives you savings to apply elsewhere.

I wouldn't dismiss league average , even the dodgers, Yankees or whoever would be happy to get league average at some positions. And Williamson seems like a pretty safe league average at a modest cost.

And I don't care about 3rd being a power position. I think the four infield positions have leveled out. First has become more defensively oriented as SS has become more offensive. You can play for defense or offense at any of them these days

This is kind of how I see it.

[D-train]

Sure I get that. Too bad we don't have a ownership group that wants to win.

This is the old “opportunity cost” thing that comes up we could hope and pray that Williamson’s offensive improvement where he had a .314 average and an .854 OPS at season’s end. Or we could spend prospects to bring in: Brendan D, CJ, etc, etc or do we spend 20M -40M a year on Geno or Bregman.

Look you might be able to mine out a decent 3B performance from Ben, Rivas, Bliss, Colt, or Arroyo but if you go Ben 1st how long do you let him ride if he has an 79 OPS+? Maybe after 3.5 Months rotating failures through Colt comes up and performs. Are you still in playoff position by then?


The same opportunity cost kinda kills when we say look we got Skubal for X Y and Z, But now I want to add an elite BP guy: but now how do I fill 1B, 2B, and 3B?


I get what he is saying but I think there are avenues available and multiple ways to get the needed parts with the resources we have available. Just like the multiple offseason blueprints demonstrate.

This is what I argued before, it wouldn't be about hoping and praying Williamson develops into a hitter. It's going with what he already is, a 2-2.5 WAR defensive 3rd baseman, a league average player. The deal being that seems like a pretty firm floor for him. I doubt his defense craters. You could go spend $10-15 MIL on a superior hitting player and be lucky they give you 2-2.5.WAR anyway. That gives you savings to apply elsewhere.

I wouldn't dismiss league average , even the dodgers, Yankees or whoever would be happy to get league average at some positions. And Williamson seems like a pretty safe league average at a modest cost.

And I don't care about 3rd being a power position. I think the four infield positions have leveled out. First has become more defensively oriented as SS has become more offensive. You can play for defense or offense at any of them these days

Yep that is exactly what I did. Also saves money with Oka instead of Naylor so we can trade for Skubal.