Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by Pharmabro » Sun Nov 16, 2025 1:56 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 6:56 pm
Trades:

Mariners trade OF Dom Canzone to the Phillies for 3B Alec Bohm

Bohm is in the final year of arbitration and set to become a free agent in '27. While his numbers look underwhelming in '25, Bohm got off to an absolutely horrid start in April and then rebounded to finish with 2.2 fWAR from May forward. Bohm brings below average power for the position but he's hit better than .274 in each of the last 4 seasons, striking out less than 100 times in each of the last 3. It seems like a move that cement a 3B for at least '26 while the M's wait for Emerson and Arroyo to arrive. The Phillies need OF help in the worst of ways. They're going to lose Bayder and Kepler to F/A and are left with just Brandon Marsh and Nick Castellanos who combined for just 0.9 bWAR in '25. This may sound crazy, but moving Canzone may give Harry Ford some chances to play in the OF alongside playing backup catcher if the M's want to travel that route.

Mariners trade 2B Cole Young, RHP Jurrangelo Cijntje to the Cardinals for 2B Brendan Donovan, LHP Jojo Romero

Donovan just feels like he's got to be a Mariner in '26. The M's have the 2B to move to get him alongside a bevy of pitching prospects that the Cardinals will be looking for in a trade. Cijntje is probably the arm I'm most comfortable moving from the top of the farm. As mentioned in prior threads, Donovan hits for high average, doesn't strike out, and plays elite defense. Jojo Romero is in his final year of arbitration and has quietly been quite good over the past 3 years... culminating in a '25 where he pitched to a 2.07 ERA over 61 innings.

Mariners trade RHP Logan Evans, 2B Ryan Bliss to the Rays for DH Yandy Diaz

It sounds very much like the Rays intend to move Diaz this off season. I think MLBTV is a bit lite on him at $7M of trade value. I have the M's moving 2x MLB ready players who are blocked for Diaz that the Rays can plug and play right away. As mentioned in prior threads, Diaz is more of a DH these days but a damn good one. He's an elite contact hitter that adds to a bevy of contact-heavy hitters in this plan.

Free Agents:

Mariners sign 1B Munetaka Murakami to a 5-year, $100M deal.

Here's the splashy move. Yeah, yeah he has apparently struggled against high velocity... but how often do you have the chance to add a 25 Y/O hitter that is capable of hitting 40+ homers at 1B? I think his flaws are oversold. As a 21/22 Y/O his K rates were totally manageable... combine that with a killer eye, I don't see the swing and miss being such a problem. I think there's still some development here and watching him, he's got the swagger and confidence I think to not let up from a production standpoint. He also fits into a nice, young core at the right moment of contention. I just really like the fit here.

Mariners sign LHP Danny Coulombe to a 2-year $8M deal

Coulombe is a lefty specialist who dominated the last few years with the Twins and Orioles. He's a solid depth piece.

Lineup:

1. Brendan Donovan 2B
2. Cal Raleigh C
3. Julio Rodriguez CF
4. Yandy Diaz DH
5. Munetaka Murakami 1B
6. Alec Bohm 3B
7. Randy Arozarena LF
8. Victor Robles RF
9. JP Crawford SS

Bench: Harry Ford OF/C, Leo Rivas IF, Luke Raley OF/1B

Rotation/Bullpen:

1. Bryan Woo
2. George Kirby
3. Logan Gilbert
4. Luis Castillo
5. Bryce Miller

CL: Andres Munoz
HL: Matt Brash, Gabe Speier, Jojo Romero, Eduard Bazardo
ML/LL: Carlos Vargas, Gregory Santos, Danny Coulombe
But yes, you brought in 4 bats. That offense is down Polo, Geno, Canzone, Nails, and Garver Which is a big loss but this line-up I would call as a slight improvement.

The rotation is unchanged but you dealt off a major depth piece in Logan E. But I kind off prefer to go off the starting 5 for an about = appraisal.

Finally the BP: 2 more lefties is a slight upgrade over the end of last year. So a slight bump up from last year’s playoff team in 2 areas.

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by D-train » Sun Nov 16, 2025 2:13 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 1:54 am
D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 1:21 am
Murakami's floor is a sub .200 BA and 200+ Ks. Oka averaged 35 HRs for 8 seasons.
I don't think that's his floor at all. He hasn't shown anywhere near those sorta numbers in Japan.
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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by D-train » Sun Nov 16, 2025 2:15 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 1:56 am
Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 1:27 am
The strikeouts scare the crap out of me terms of transitioning
"the strikeouts"

He strikes out and walks at more or less the same rate that Ohtani did before he transitioned.

Ohtani still strikes out a lot but has repeated largely the same success after a small transition period and some injuries in the early days in LAA.

The uptick in K's in '24 corelate to injuries. He struck out 71 times in 69 games in '25 which is more than fine.
You are making me feel like a Boomer even though I am too young to be one. lol
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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Nov 16, 2025 2:50 am

D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 2:15 am
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 1:56 am
Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 1:27 am
The strikeouts scare the crap out of me terms of transitioning
"the strikeouts"

He strikes out and walks at more or less the same rate that Ohtani did before he transitioned.

Ohtani still strikes out a lot but has repeated largely the same success after a small transition period and some injuries in the early days in LAA.

The uptick in K's in '24 corelate to injuries. He struck out 71 times in 69 games in '25 which is more than fine.
You are making me feel like a Boomer even though I am too young to be one. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1_LLPhVx0w

Here's his homers in '25...

It just seems like there's not a lot of pitchers throwing all that hard in the Japan league. My guess is when the velo is consistently 95-96 in the majors, his eye will adjust.

He does hit a bomb to center off a 96 mph fastball.

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by D-train » Sun Nov 16, 2025 3:03 am

Its not the eyes it is the reflexes. That is what the Ackley and JK groupies never got.
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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Nov 16, 2025 3:25 am

D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 3:03 am
Its not the eyes it is the reflexes. That is what the Ackley and JK groupies never got.
It's interesting, I think I'd vote eyes. Its more about anticipating where the ball will be coming out of the pitchers hand rather than reacting to it being thrown. It's more predicting rather than reacting

https://www.goodeyes.com/bdp-news/scien ... -fastball/

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Nov 16, 2025 5:42 am

D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 3:03 am
Its not the eyes it is the reflexes. That is what the Ackley and JK groupies never got.
I think Ackley and Kelenic were just not that gifted when all was said and done.

I suppose we'll find out if Murakami is. But setting the Japanese HR record as a 23 YO is nothing to shake a stick at.

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by HawkandMariner88 » Sun Nov 16, 2025 10:20 am

No on the asians. Nails has gotta be priority number 1. The only 2 trades they need to make are for Donovan & for Yandy + reliever (Uceta or Cleavinger). Duran would be nice as well but don't know if Seattle's interested or if they don't feel he's a fit. So 2 potentially 3 trades your looking at.

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Nov 16, 2025 4:48 pm

HawkandMariner88 wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 10:20 am
No on the asians. Nails has gotta be priority number 1. The only 2 trades they need to make are for Donovan & for Yandy + reliever (Uceta or Cleavinger). Duran would be nice as well but don't know if Seattle's interested or if they don't feel he's a fit. So 2 potentially 3 trades your looking at.
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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by bhofferb » Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:02 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 3:25 am
D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 3:03 am
Its not the eyes it is the reflexes. That is what the Ackley and JK groupies never got.
It's interesting, I think I'd vote eyes. Its more about anticipating where the ball will be coming out of the pitchers hand rather than reacting to it being thrown. It's more predicting rather than reacting

https://www.goodeyes.com/bdp-news/scien ... -fastball/
Didn’t we just spend all season complaining about Julio “predicting?

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