Mariners finalizing 5 year contract with Josh Naylor

[Donn Beach]

As I understand it per Steamer, at this point in the off season the mariners have the second best roster in MLB behind only the Dodgers

[D-train]

I hate it here.

Emerson is 20 yo, has played 6 games at AAA and 14 games at 3B.
Young finished the season on a 3-51 bender.

[desbcoach]

Perspective

whatever the case, it feels like the Mariners are getting away with something. Despite the risks, Naylor is only the ninth-most expensive first baseman in MLB in terms of average annual value. He slots behind Christian Walker, who is six seasonal years older and coming off a dismal 0.2 rWAR season.

For all the complaining about the mariners unwillingness to spend, they finally step up and now it's about them over spending, go figure. They claimed they were committed to bringing Naylor back and they stepped up and did it. It's what they had to do, and for all the talk about dipoto being hated in the clubhouse he really does have a pretty good record for retaining players.

Based on the little quip posted not really an overspend tho. Look at list of players for top 10 and he slots in as the 9th highest exactly where he should be, would you rather him right now or Walker. Give me Naylor

[Donn Beach]

Perspective

whatever the case, it feels like the Mariners are getting away with something. Despite the risks, Naylor is only the ninth-most expensive first baseman in MLB in terms of average annual value. He slots behind Christian Walker, who is six seasonal years older and coming off a dismal 0.2 rWAR season.

For all the complaining about the mariners unwillingness to spend, they finally step up and now it's about them over spending, go figure. They claimed they were committed to bringing Naylor back and they stepped up and did it. It's what they had to do, and for all the talk about dipoto being hated in the clubhouse he really does have a pretty good record for retaining players.

Based on the little quip posted not really an overspend tho. Look at list of players for top 10 and he slots in as the 9th highest exactly where he should be, would you rather him right now or Walker. Give me Naylor

Yeah, but that seems to be the concern, everybody becomes bean counters once a contract is signed. Maybe it's that not only do the mariners need to sign players but they need to get team friendly deals on top of it. I think the whole issue of value is subjective. There's a lot that goes into the contract offer to a player. That's why I don't put much value in the projections. It's really a very subjective situation. The final pieces of a build can get more costly, the need to fill a particular position can add cost. The PR aspect can add cost. With all that to consider I think keeping Naylor was an obvious success

[Captain 97]

For all the complaining about the mariners unwillingness to spend, they finally step up and now it's about them over spending, go figure. They claimed they were committed to bringing Naylor back and they stepped up and did it. It's what they had to do, and for all the talk about dipoto being hated in the clubhouse he really does have a pretty good record for retaining players.

Based on the little quip posted not really an overspend tho. Look at list of players for top 10 and he slots in as the 9th highest exactly where he should be, would you rather him right now or Walker. Give me Naylor

Yeah, but that seems to be the concern, everybody becomes bean counters once a contract is signed. Maybe it's that not only do the mariners need to sign players but they need to get team friendly deals on top of it. I think the whole issue of value is subjective. There's a lot that goes into the contract offer to a player. That's why I don't put much value in the projections. It's really a very subjective situation. The final pieces of a build can get more costly, the need to fill a particular position can add cost. The PR aspect can add cost. With all that to consider I think keeping Naylor was an obvious success

We become bean counters because Dipoto already said that the payroll is going to be right about where it ended up last year. Spotrac has that number at $165M Naylor eating up 18.5 Million brings the estimated payroll for 2026 to $156 Million which means there will be no more significant free agents. I really don't even think there is enough left in the budget for Polanco. Best we can hope for now is a trade or two for guys making 3-4 Million and maybe a mid value bullpen arm.

[D-train]

Donovan is only going to make about $6M. That is my next move.

[D-train]

Imagine if payroll was just flat with 2017 on an inflation adjusted basis. It would be at ~$215M and we would have about $60M to spend. Could trade for Donovan and sign Tucker and Okamoto.

[Captain 97]

Imagine if payroll was just flat with 2017 on an inflation adjusted basis. It would be at ~$215M and we would have about $60M to spend. Could trade for Donovan and sign Tucker and Okamoto.

You'd think that these owners would have enough foresight to realize how much a championship could do for their bottom line long term and jump on this opportunity. They have an opportunity to build the fan base and make a whole generation of youngsters loyal life time fans.

[D-train]

Imagine if payroll was just flat with 2017 on an inflation adjusted basis. It would be at ~$215M and we would have about $60M to spend. Could trade for Donovan and sign Tucker and Okamoto.

You'd think that these owners would have enough foresight to realize how much a championship could do for their bottom line long term and jump on this opportunity. They have an opportunity to build the fan base and make a whole generation of youngsters loyal life time fans.

I am sure they have done the math and determined that the demand is inelastic. A lot of fans will be there no matter what. Also they may have other investment opportunities that they think will net a higher ROI.

[Captain 97]

Imagine if payroll was just flat with 2017 on an inflation adjusted basis. It would be at ~$215M and we would have about $60M to spend. Could trade for Donovan and sign Tucker and Okamoto.

You'd think that these owners would have enough foresight to realize how much a championship could do for their bottom line long term and jump on this opportunity. They have an opportunity to build the fan base and make a whole generation of youngsters loyal life time fans.

I am sure they have done the math and determined that the demand is inelastic. A lot of fans will be there no matter what. Also they may have other investment opportunities that they think will net a higher ROI.

That's the weird part about it. Pro-Sports is profitable but the returns are nowhere near what could be made even with just normal investing in the Market. Nobody buys a sports team for the investment. They buy it because they like the sport. You'd think someone who was willing to lose out on financial opportunity for the novelty of being a sports owner would also have the drive to make that team a champion. but what do I know. I am just a peon hoping that my Roth IRA grows enough so that I can retire by age 60. I think one of the problems could be that there is an ownership group rather than a single owner. Its a lot harder to get everyone on board for spending when you have 17 owners that need to come to some agreement.