Postmortem: Sea v Lambs - The One That Got Away

[douche]

It's one thing when a guy stands in the pocket and takes a hit to make a designed throw. It's another to panic when the pocket is collapsing and there is no receiver or play to be made. The hardwired notion of having to make a play when there isn't one needs to be addressed.

Hopefully he learned something from those 4 INTs.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

So, on a pass play, if you hold off a defender for 2.4 seconds that has the same value as allowing the defender to run around (or through) you unimpeded.

Huh? If the O Lineman holds a block for 2.4 seconds that is no different than a free rusher? I imagine they use the same scoring method for every team. So, your issue is null and void. Our win rate, against every other team in the NFL, places us 7th and 8th.

They score a pass block a "win" if it's held for 2.5 seconds or longer and a loss if it is not. That is why any hold time less than 2.5 seconds is equivalent. Also, they are grading individuals on one O line separately then adding up their percentages rather than grading the line as a whole. Thus how well they make adjustments to pick up blitzes and effectively double up where there are more blockers than pass rushers are not taken into account. I don't know why they can't expand the grading to something more descriptive than a fixed amount of time to succeed or fail on a block, but every system has its flaws and i'm not saying this one isn't useful. It just seems to be more accurate in grading individuals than it is in grading how well the entire line is functioning. It does minimize subjectivity which is the main problem with PFF.

[Michael K.]

They score a pass block a "win" if it's held for 2.5 seconds or longer and a loss if it is not. That is why any hold time less than 2.5 seconds is equivalent. Also, they are grading individuals on one O line separately then adding up their percentages rather than grading the line as a whole. Thus how well they make adjustments to pick up blitzes and effectively double up where there are more blockers than pass rushers are not taken into account. I don't know why they can't expand the grading to something more descriptive than a fixed amount of time to succeed or fail on a block, but every system has its flaws and i'm not saying this one isn't useful. It just seems to be more accurate in grading individuals than it is in grading how well the entire line is functioning. It does minimize subjectivity which is the main problem with PFF.

I have zero faith that anyone at PFF is able to grade the entire unit as a hole, because they don't know the assignment. Grading O Lines is going to be a tough task, but win rate at least tells us if the guy held a block. Not sure why that is somehow less relevant that someone that doesn't know the play or the assignment, and may have never played the game grading it based on watching film.

That is why an actual quantifiable number makes more sense to me. Regardless, as I have said, I disagree completely with your assessment that the O Line is similar to last year. I imagine PFF agrees, but they want me to pay to see what the ranking was last year. No thanks.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I agree that the pass blocking has been noticeably improved this season, but if the run blocking is 8th best in the league then the RBs and/or run scheme must be pretty bad since they have one of the lowest yards per carry of any team.

[Michael K.]

I agree that the pass blocking has been noticeably improved this season, but if the run blocking is 8th best in the league then the RBs and/or run scheme must be pretty bad since they have one of the lowest yards per carry of any team.

Walker averages 4.5 per carry. So....

[Donn Beach]

Yeah , he shit the bed, that's the result. The issue is why isn't it? He chokes in big games, that's the narrative? Okay, what does that mean exactly. Is he nervous? Anxious? Scared?. What is it about a big game makes him shit the bed? Terms of this last one. If anything I can discern he seemed overly aggressive. He was forcing things, too many risks, is that choking? I think the Rams took advantage of it, that's what good teams do.

Why is the issue why? The issue is that he can't seem to correct it. They don't need him to be a world beater, they need him to be a lot like Russ in the early days. At least three of those picks were horrible decisions, one was on first down. Just dumb. The game speeds up and he tries to do too much. Who cares why? I don't understand your point. Again, he has choked in three or four of the last "Big" games he's played in. Detroit in week 17, Rams in the playoffs, 49ers in week 1 and LA again. Hell, as well as he played against Tampa? It was a pick that ended the game. Of course, if they don't call Milroe's number?

He needs to realize that we don't need to score on every play. He forces shit, always has. Who cares why, the issue is he can't seem to correct it. There is a narrative that he can't get it done in Big Games, and that is NOT because he has gotten it done in big games. Stafford just took the plays that were there, his team won and he is getting all kinds of praise....for basically doing very little.

If anything maybe he didn't take the game seriously enough. He went into it expecting to get away with passes you're not going to with the Rams. He should have been more nervous not less nervous, been more cautious.

You watched him play and thought "that is a guy that is way to relaxed"? Holy Shit Donn, that is overly contrarian...even for you.

And how much of it is how kubiak has been driving the offense. How much control does Kubiak have to apply. They do turn the ball over a lot. I've brought it up before, for a supposedly defensively minded team that negative TO ratio is rather strange. That is a pretty big difference between the Rams and seahawks, TO ratio. And it played a big factor in the game.

Did you see a lot of route concepts that seemed to be why he turned the ball over? Did you question the run versus pass ratio? Did you honestly watch those four picks and think "fuck Kubiak, why'd you call that play"? We have had many moments like that over the years, but as much as I complained about Kubiak, specifically after game one? I haven't seen much. As a matter of fact...I've looked at my son several times this year and commented how creative or well called a play was. I'm having a real difficult time assigning blame to Kubiak.

Why is it why? Ohhhh because if theres an issue they should try and fix it shouldn't they? It's preparation isn't it? Isn't that what we hired MM for? To have them prepared to play at their best?

MM sees the losing at home as an issue that needs to be addressed, why wouldn't he not see Darnolds inability to win big games as an issue to be addressed? Again, it's all about preparation

"It's really important that we play better at home. It's been an important emphasis since I was hired. Hasn't come to life yet. We're determined to make it come to life."

Wouldn't it also be important that your qb plays well in big games? You don't think he's going to view the Rams loss and try to figure out how to get better? There is an issue with preparation isn't there? No matter what the issue is it comes down to preparation doesn't it? Isn't that really the defining aspect to winning? Preparation? Mike runs his team out and his qb isn't prepared to win a big game and MM is going to ignore it? There was obviously something wrong, he threw four interceptions.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I agree that the pass blocking has been noticeably improved this season, but if the run blocking is 8th best in the league then the RBs and/or run scheme must be pretty bad since they have one of the lowest yards per carry of any team.

Walker averages 4.5 per carry. So....

The team is 29th at 3.8 ypc.

[Michael K.]

I agree that the pass blocking has been noticeably improved this season, but if the run blocking is 8th best in the league then the RBs and/or run scheme must be pretty bad since they have one of the lowest yards per carry of any team.

Walker averages 4.5 per carry. So....

The team is 29th at 3.8 ypc.

I think you are missing the point. So, in other words, why the FUCK does Charbonnet, at 3.3 yards per carry, get 12 carries a game, and Walker gets 13? Walker is 19th in the NFL in yards per carry and splits carries equally with someone that averages 1.2 fewer per carry. There is something that the past two coaching staffs hate about K9, and I sure as fuck don't get it. K9 has 7 carries of over 20, Charbo has 1. K9 averages just over 9.1 per reception and Charbo averages just 7.4. Neither player has lost a fumble. Look at those numbers and tell me a fifty fifty split makes sense.

Hard for me to blame the O Line for our per carry average when the dude averaging 3.8 per carry is somehow splitting carries fifty fifty with the guy averages 4.5. I'd blame McDonald, but Pete did the same thing. Would blame Kubiak, but he isn't the only OC to do this. I am sure K9 is counting the days until his contract here is over, and then we better hope we draft someone with some actual burst. Imagine and entire season of Charbo. 3 yards and a cloud of dust. The dude is a but sniffer with no burst. But? The coaches love something about him.

[D-train]

It is like platoons in Baseball only worse. The shitty RB gets 50% of carries instead of 33%

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I just heard that addressed on the radio. According to MM Walker's carries were limited earlier this season due to the foot issue but he says that isn't a problem now. So i agree, why the fuck didn't he get virtually all the carries against the Rams? Charbonnet should be limited to 3rd/4th and short dive plays.