Postmortem: Sea v Lambs - The One That Got Away

[Michael K.]

I just heard that addressed on the radio. According to MM Walker's carries were limited earlier this season due to the foot issue but he says that isn't a problem now. So i agree, why the fuck didn't he get virtually all the carries against the Rams?

The foot was an issue in the Pre Season. If it was still an issue, why did he look forty times more explosive than Charbo? They were punishing him for not being healthy, same thing that the staffs in the past have done. Yet? Watch the actual football game and tell me it makes fucking sense? Does he LOOK like he is running injured? And if he does? What does that say about White Wine? He is HALF as explosive as Walker....is he hurt too?

Blaming the foot is an excuse, and an attempt at sidestepping the real issue which was, "we played the wrong fucking RB".

[auroraave]

There are a number of reasons you split carries. Different backs have different skill sets. CHarbs is the better blocker and more versatile as a receiver. You have to use different packages to confuse defenses - to keep them honest. If walker gets 90 percent of the runs - then the defensive coordinator simply stacks the line every time he is in -= you are showing your hand by being predicatable.

I have said it a thousand times on here - you cannot cut and paste stats as you position - there is CONTEXT to be considered.

Remember when Penny "averaged' 6 yards a carry? Play that out - if he really 'ran for six yards' ever time he carried the ball - all you would ever do his hand him the ball - right? See, that's how 'stats' work. Now imagine taking your 'statistical cues" from the morons at PFF - a money making enterprise who is under ZERO pressure to be accurate.

Stop quoting stats - understand strategy. Utterly maddening. Instead of thinking it thrugh, just "cutting and pasting stats" as my "proof". Again, I refer you to the Penny anomoly. Everyn single thing that will ever happen can be made into a statistic - they are mostly meaningless talking points an ill-equipped media and talking heads use so people think they are smart. They are not smart - they are fucking lazy.

You8 need zero stats to know he threw 4 picks. what you do need is to understand the route tree and concepts, the blocking scheme, the accuracy of the route running, the quality of the blocking, the defensive scheme and assignments. Didn't Arroyo run a bad route resulting in a pic? Where's the corrolating "stat" that explains that?

This obsession with dropping stats into conversations. It's weak.

[Michael K.]

There are a number of reasons you split carries. Different backs have different skill sets. CHarbs is the better blocker and more versatile as a receiver. You have to use different packages to confuse defenses - to keep them honest. If walker gets 90 percent of the runs - then the defensive coordinator simply stacks the line every time he is in -= you are showing your hand by being predicatable.

Charbo is a better pass blocker, so he splits carries? Jesus dude, that's stupid.

I have said it a thousand times on here - you cannot cut and paste stats as you position - there is CONTEXT to be considered.

Remember when Penny "averaged' 6 yards a carry? Play that out - if he really 'ran for six yards' ever time he carried the ball - all you would ever do his hand him the ball - right? See, that's how 'stats' work. Now imagine taking your 'statistical cues" from the morons at PFF - a money making enterprise who is under ZERO pressure to be accurate.

Penny, at no time, SPLIT carries with Davis, let alone Chris Carson. His per carry average was because he would get four carries a game and hit one for over twenty, but wasn't nearly consistent enough to fucking split carries with those guys.

Stop quoting stats - understand strategy. Utterly maddening. Instead of thinking it thrugh, just "cutting and pasting stats" as my "proof". Again, I refer you to the Penny anomoly. Everyn single thing that will ever happen can be made into a statistic - they are mostly meaningless talking points an ill-equipped media and talking heads use so people think they are smart. They are not smart - they are fucking lazy.

You watch these two backs and think....yep, same guys. Jesus. Read what I type instead of simply trying to come in here and talk fucking shit as always.

You8 need zero stats to know he threw 4 picks. what you do need is to understand the route tree and concepts, the blocking scheme, the accuracy of the route running, the quality of the blocking, the defensive scheme and assignments. Didn't Arroyo run a bad route resulting in a pic? Where's the corrolating "stat" that explains that?

This obsession with dropping stats into conversations. It's weak.

What the FUCK does four picks have to do with Walker and Charbo splitting carries?

I used stats to compare two players, who are SPLITTING carries. CARRIES, not plays, not in on passing downs because he blocks better. I used their RUSHING stats to prove a point as to why I don't see why they both carry the ball equally. You know, gaining yards when they get the ball. Not pass blocking, not Penny's per carry average when he in no way shape or form SPLIT carries when Davis and Carson played. Nope, I used stats to compare two players playing right fucking now who are touching the ball equally, with much different results.

You came in, and as always, added nothing to the conversation besides to talk smack and provide zero substance. So, you watch both these players run the ball and believe that Walker should average 13 carries and Charbo 12? This is because Charbo is a better pass blocker?

Even the fucking coaches aren't saying that, they are saying that they were protecting Walker's injury. Not one person that watches football uses pass blocking and Rachaad Penny's per carry average as a reason why these two backs split carries. Sorry, no one but you. Fuck the stats, look at the two run the fucking ball. Oh yeah, you don't watch, you just come in here and talk shit.

[maoling]

Great write-up, aurora, as always. I agree, the Lambs have more to worry about after this one than the Seahawks do. Those picks were no fun, but the Hawks otherwise owned them all day.

Heard any good horse jokes lately?

Sincerely,

Joan Deutsch
Seattle Times

Why did the horse cross the road?
To escape that Son of a Deutch Joan.
Oh, see what I did there???

Anyone remember the offending joke that got us banned? Mr. Chairman? DT?

I know we were making Mr. Ed jokes lol, that maybe he was a fraud and couldn't really talk at all. You could see how that would be offensive to a thin-skinned, chaps-wearing, stinky horse blanket pony-girl.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Remember when Penny "averaged' 6 yards a carry? Play that out - if he really 'ran for six yards' ever time he carried the ball - all you would ever do his hand him the ball - right? See, that's how 'stats' work. Now imagine taking your 'statistical cues" from the morons at PFF - a money making enterprise who is under ZERO pressure to be accurate.

To suggest that PFF isn't a useful tool for those that don't have the time to review video from games let alone watch them all is unreasonable. And there's a reason why all 32 NFL teams pay to get their advanced analytical tools. Yes, it's more valuable to use your own judgment in evaluating players provided you have sufficient knowledge of the game and the time to do so, but most people don't. At the very least it gives us one more thing to discuss.

[DavidGee24]

I think they're splitting carries because Walker is so brittle. If he got the ball 20-25 times per game he'd probably have broken down by now so it probably makes sense even though it seemed like he should have gotten the ball more against the Hams.

That said, in a late-season winner-takes-all or postseason game Walker had better be getting most of the carries, like 75%.

[Michael K.]

I think they're splitting carries because Walker is so brittle. If he got the ball 20-25 times per game he'd probably have broken down by now so it probably makes sense even though it seemed like he should have gotten the ball more against the Hams.

That said, in a late-season winner-takes-all or postseason game Walker had better be getting most of the carries, like 75%.

It was a foot injury from last year, and he was babying it in the Pre-Season, and it pissed them off. That said? It shouldn't have taken until late November to realize that Charbo isn't him. Completely ridiculous for them to split carries. It's a trend throughout the NFL, and I am sure guys like Bijan Robinson and K9 are sick of it. Christian McCaffrey has a long list of injuries, and when he is playing? He is the man, it's four or five series before Brian Robinson gets a series.

Barkley is even losing touches this year, so is Henry. The other guys are backups for a reason. 70/30 should be the max, unless the back is banged up. But once a few of them do it and try to justify it by talking about load management? The entire league adopts it. Imagine if the Eagles had a 50/50 split? Sorry, but Charbo shouldn't even be close to half the carries. He is a good backup, that is all. Same with Tyler Algier to Bijan, Brian Robinson to CMC, Ty Johnson to James Cook, etc. But the new trend is so fucking silly. Give your starter a breather, maybe a few third downs, and maybe every third or fourth series. But one to one? Stupid.

Again, it's league wide. It's the same comparison DT used about platooning in baseball. It's what everyone is doing, so everyone does it so they don't have to answer to why they don't. Doesn't make it right.

[Donn Beach]

Bell, posted this before, it's load management

“They’re trying to manage Kenneth Walker through the entire season with a foot issue that he has had since August,” Bell said. “When I got to Green Bay, I learned that Walker’s foot injury in the summer that was causing him to miss practices in training camp is related to the high ankle sprain that he had in December last year that he ended up on injured reserve.

“So, this thing has been a lingering issue since last winter,” Bell continued. “They need to get him 17 games, not just for their offense, but for Kenneth Walker. Walker has this much money and this many teams he’s signed to for next offseason. Zilch. His rookie contract’s going to end in January. So, he wants to be out there every single week to audition for his next job across the league. He wants to get game tape so that everybody can see it. It’s not going to do him any good to get 50, 70, 80 percent of the snaps one week and then be out for two weeks because he couldn’t handle the workload.

“He’s on board with this job share with Charbonnet because he’s trying to make it through 17 games. So, he has 17 auditions for a new contract this year. It’s going to be interesting to me to see if the production stays as skewed as it has if the Seahawks cannot succumb to the temptation of playing Walker more. I mean, we saw it against Houston right in the middle of drives. Walker was the more productive back and then he got yanked right in the middle of the series. That’s how much they’re trying to manage this foot thing and keep him healthy through the entire season.”

[Donn Beach]

I don't want to beat the Darnold deal to death but man. Is the issue he simply turns the ball over a lot? He's leading the league now isn't he? There's this Rams game but he had three TOs against the cardinals the week before, it's nine TOs in the last four games. It's getting to be a Geno type of issue isn't it? Not to mention the losses to the 49ers and TB basically came down to Darnold TOs.

[trharder]

Most games, Walker is better, but there's been a couple games where Charb is the hot hand and they'll flip
to Walker for no reason. I'd like to see them stick with the guy who's hot for that given game.
Even though Walker is quicker, he sometimes is indecisive and misses the opportunity, where Charb, while
slower, sometimes makes the correct cut like it's drawn up and gets the yards.
And why does Walker always run out of bounds?