2025 NFL Pick em Pool

[D-train]

The raiders offense is truly awful. I remember a preseason prediction deal that had chip Kelly coming out of the season with a HC gig, that's aging well. The pundits really were optimistic

Did you read Raider Fan sites? You keep coming up with this shit, I didn't see one single thing that predicted the Raiders would be even competitive. I can't believe anyone with a brain thought that Pete and Chip running things in Sin City would be a good fit. That Geno would function at a high level, that you could have a terrible O Line, draft a RB and have it be fixed. They have little to no talent, a coach who has seen his best football days pass him by, and to boot? He is the least disciplined coach in the League, and coaches millionaire testosterone filled young men in Vegas!

I don't know what shit you were reading this off season, but they must have all been written by Pete's family members.

One of the "Pundits" was this buffoon on X named Neldog. Total Geno groupie. He has to be devasted. Here is his text exchange with a guy in one of my X chats. lol

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[Donn Beach]

Here's PFF

Smith’s surface-level 2024 stats don’t jump off the page, but he was saddled with poor pass protection and inconsistent play calling. His 82.4 PFF passing grade ranked eighth among qualified quarterbacks, which is the same as his ranking if the timeframe were extended to 2022. One thing that has held firm for Smith is his excellent deep ball. He ranked fourth in the NFL last season with a 95.1 deep PFF passing grade, and he leads the NFL with a perfect 99.9 deep PFF passing grade over the past three years.

The additions of Geno Smith, Ashton Jeanty and multiple rookie receivers should immediately improve the Raiders’ offense in Pete Carroll’s first season as head coach. However, their lack of defensive talent, particularly in coverage, likely puts a hard cap on the number of wins they can secure in an extremely tough division

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-preview-la ... iders-2025

That to me seems pretty indicative of what I thought was the general consensus. Their issues would be on the defensive side of the ball and they were in a tough division

[Michael K.]

Here's PFF

Smith’s surface-level 2024 stats don’t jump off the page, but he was saddled with poor pass protection and inconsistent play calling. His 82.4 PFF passing grade ranked eighth among qualified quarterbacks, which is the same as his ranking if the timeframe were extended to 2022. One thing that has held firm for Smith is his excellent deep ball. He ranked fourth in the NFL last season with a 95.1 deep PFF passing grade, and he leads the NFL with a perfect 99.9 deep PFF passing grade over the past three years.

The additions of Geno Smith, Ashton Jeanty and multiple rookie receivers should immediately improve the Raiders’ offense in Pete Carroll’s first season as head coach. However, their lack of defensive talent, particularly in coverage, likely puts a hard cap on the number of wins they can secure in an extremely tough division

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-preview-la ... iders-2025

That to me seems pretty indicative of what I thought was the general consensus. Their issues would be on the defensive side of the ball and they were in a tough division

So, they are going to be better than the year before, and you believe this is everyone believing they are going to be good? They were fucking terrible the year before! 4 and 13 fucking terrible, so you read "improved" and believe people thought they'd be good!?

Again, you have yet to show me anything to say that there were people out there believing the Raiders were going to even be good! They were even wrong that the offense would improve, and a lot of that is because Pete didn't seem to learn from his time here and continued to devalue the O Line.

Better than 4 and 13....what a lofty expectation. I can see how you thought all these guys were high on the Raiders. You must have read it on the Onion or some other spoof site. There are no articles talking about how the Raiders are going to be good because that would have been a ridiculous take! Your Man Crush on Pete is showing.

[Donn Beach]

Here's PFF

Smith’s surface-level 2024 stats don’t jump off the page, but he was saddled with poor pass protection and inconsistent play calling. His 82.4 PFF passing grade ranked eighth among qualified quarterbacks, which is the same as his ranking if the timeframe were extended to 2022. One thing that has held firm for Smith is his excellent deep ball. He ranked fourth in the NFL last season with a 95.1 deep PFF passing grade, and he leads the NFL with a perfect 99.9 deep PFF passing grade over the past three years.

The additions of Geno Smith, Ashton Jeanty and multiple rookie receivers should immediately improve the Raiders’ offense in Pete Carroll’s first season as head coach. However, their lack of defensive talent, particularly in coverage, likely puts a hard cap on the number of wins they can secure in an extremely tough division

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-preview-la ... iders-2025

That to me seems pretty indicative of what I thought was the general consensus. Their issues would be on the defensive side of the ball and they were in a tough division

So, they are going to be better than the year before, and you believe this is everyone believing they are going to be good? They were fucking terrible the year before! 4 and 13 fucking terrible, so you read "improved" and believe people thought they'd be good!?

Again, you have yet to show me anything to say that there were people out there believing the Raiders were going to even be good! They were even wrong that the offense would improve, and a lot of that is because Pete didn't seem to learn from his time here and continued to devalue the O Line.

Better than 4 and 13....what a lofty expectation. I can see how you thought all these guys were high on the Raiders. You must have read it on the Onion or some other spoof site. There are no articles talking about how the Raiders are going to be good because that would have been a ridiculous take! Your Man Crush on Pete is showing.

Who said anything about the Raiders being good? I showed you where the Raiders over and under had improved season to season to seven and a half where as the seahawks had declined to it. That's always been my point. Not whether the raiders would be good or not, but that they were viewed as improving where the seahawks were viewed as declining. That to me was the story, the raiders on an upward trajectory and the seahawks on a downward. My point back then was in terms of the seahawks, what if the raiders actually won more games? Seemed pretty wild to me but it certainly seemed it was a possibility for las Vegas. And honestly your the one with the PC fixation, not me

[Michael K.]

The Raiders could be better than they were last year and still suck, so who the fuck cares? You continued to talk about this "upward" trajectory. And then find posts that say "the offense will be improved" or some shit like that. Upward trajectory....only three or four teams had lower odds to get to the Super Bowl. Do you really think it's news that a team that won four games last year would be talked about as possibly being better, and one that lost their starting QB and a WR like Metcalf would be spoken about as going the opposite direction? The Seahawks could win 9 games and the Raiders 5 and those pundits would have been correct. But I still don't see the fucking point you are making other than your Pete Carroll love.

So, again, what the fuck is your point? A few people looked at the shipwreck that was last year's Raider team and thought they'd be better this year, and yet somehow that is the drum you want to keep banging? I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought the Titans might be better this year as well. But since Pete doesn't coach there this isn't your drum to beat? I'm sorry, but being better than the shitshow they were last year don't mean shit. NO ONE with half a brain thought Pete going to Vegas was going to turn that franchise around. Posting obscure online comments about how they would be better doesn't change anything.

[Donn Beach]

The Raiders could be better than they were last year and still suck, so who the fuck cares? You continued to talk about this "upward" trajectory. And then find posts that say "the offense will be improved" or some shit like that. Upward trajectory....only three or four teams had lower odds to get to the Super Bowl. Do you really think it's news that a team that won four games last year would be talked about as possibly being better, and one that lost their starting QB and a WR like Metcalf would be spoken about as going the opposite direction? The Seahawks could win 9 games and the Raiders 5 and those pundits would have been correct. But I still don't see the fucking point you are making other than your Pete Carroll love.

So, again, what the fuck is your point? A few people looked at the shipwreck that was last year's Raider team and thought they'd be better this year, and yet somehow that is the drum you want to keep banging? I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought the Titans might be better this year as well. But since Pete doesn't coach there this isn't your drum to beat? I'm sorry, but being better than the shitshow they were last year don't mean shit. NO ONE with half a brain thought Pete going to Vegas was going to turn that franchise around. Posting obscure online comments about how they would be better doesn't change anything.

Why do I care? I answered that already. I thought with the questions concerning JS's off season it was interesting that the coach they canned had an opportunity to show them up.

You'e the one that claimed you wouldn't be interested in what happened with Pete and the Raiders so why the fuck do you care?

[Michael K.]

I wasn't interested? Oh I was interested. Hell, I was pissed we sucked in the second half and tied them in the pre season even though we were basically playing fourth string guys the last two plus quarters.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

So if Pete gets fired, what next for him? A return to college?

[Captain 97]

So if Pete gets fired, what next for him? A return to college?

The dude will be 75 next season. He needs to retire and go sit on a beach somewhere.

[Michael K.]

Pete knows one way, and doesn't even care about admitting it.

“I’ve been doing it this way for a lot of years and it’s a winning formula if you play good defense and you kick the ball well. … And so, we’re trying to get that, and we just have not captured it. And so, this is what this move is about.”

Over the past 3 seasons and ten games this year he is 27 and 34 and this will be the third year out of those four he has missed the playoffs. He is 1 and 4 in the playoffs since 2017, with his one win being over an ancient third string Philly QB who actually played with a broken back! And yet? He believes that his way is the only way. Yes, I'd say it's time for him to hang it up. BEYOND time for him to hang it up.

But do I think he will? No, not a chance. He wants to prove to guys like me that his way will still work. The only way that will happen is if he finds a time machine and gets a do over from second and goal, and then sees how that Dynasty plays out. But his system will only be that successful with those guys. Great job of building that team, but he also lost that team because of who he is and his decisions. There are a lot of guys from that team that believe that he threw it on second and goal so Russ could be the hero and not Marshawn. Perception is reality, so even if that isn't why he did it? His actions made them believe it. Then he doubled down by literally changing nothing. EVER.