Who had the best plan from the mariners podsters

[Donn Beach]

You are replacing Castillo, not his spot in the rotation, and you need to do it with someone not on the roster or the rotation will be weaker as a whole. That will require another trade or signing. Won't be a part of the Castillo trade obviously.

I've already addressed it. Dipoto could trade Castillo for another pierce and then turn around and add an arm to the rotation. Whether or not that piece is an actual equivalent to Castillo could be open for debate. It wouldn't be some scrub but it wouldmt be Skubal either. That to me is a realistic possibity. I think he could take advantage of the opportunity to move Castillo while keeping the rotation at this past seasons value more or less. He could also point at improving current players to get there. He needs to get something out of the Castillo trade. He could add some other piece. But he isn't going to be improving the rotation. I suppose it comes down to adding up war

Well that Gore trade would come with a very slightly higher WAR projection but it would be worth all those moves for a slight incremental improvement unless you use the money for an impact bat. Their plan failed miserably at doing that.

I would say the odds of a Skubal trade to us or a Castillo trade are about the same. 10%

What's this about anyway? I'm speaking to what I feel dipoto is capable of pulling off terms of an off season. It might not actually seem to improve the team dramaticly? No kidding, you mean like all the other off seasons where he did accomplish that?

Again, I think its quite possible Jerry Dipoto honors us with an off season where an actual improvement could be debated. The reason, Jerry likes to think long term, you know, the sustainablily thing. Dipoto had Castillo agree to drop his no trade in 2025, now that it's happened he will be tempted to move the $73 MIL owed if he can find a taker.

It will be more important to him to extend the competitive window than signicantly improving this seasons team, that's the trade-off. Seems to me he's basically stated it as the goal, wasn't that the 54% deal I remember hearing about? The doing us a favor? As far as I know, that's the program, extending the window as far as possible.

I don't want to hear about comments he made two years ago loving his rotation or concerns about PR. If you really believe that stuff concerns him then you haven't been paying attention.

Let's see who's plan actually becomes reality. You guys go ahead and keep dreaming about trading for Skubal. I will put this plan up against anyone here in terms of it actually happening. I'm not going to bet a $100 on it but if there was a $100 prize for getting closest I'd be happy with my chances

[Donn Beach]

I think the attitude here is, we got to within a game of the WS, this is the time to really add on and go for it. The plans turn on increasing the level of talent as much as possible with a limited budget being the constraining factor.

I doubt that's how Dipoto is looking at it, at least I'm not sold on it. What he could be thinking is, I've accomplished my 90 win team, we have won the division, that box is checked, now the job is to extend this as long as possible.

Adding more seasons of 90 wins will be more valuable to him than adding more wins next season. It's going to be more about maintaining this level of production than increasing it. The best way to ensure a WS would be to continue winning 90 games a season over the next five seasons than trying to win 95 games next season. And to help accomplish that he like to move Castillo's contract.

[D-train]

I've already addressed it. Dipoto could trade Castillo for another pierce and then turn around and add an arm to the rotation. Whether or not that piece is an actual equivalent to Castillo could be open for debate. It wouldn't be some scrub but it wouldmt be Skubal either. That to me is a realistic possibity. I think he could take advantage of the opportunity to move Castillo while keeping the rotation at this past seasons value more or less. He could also point at improving current players to get there. He needs to get something out of the Castillo trade. He could add some other piece. But he isn't going to be improving the rotation. I suppose it comes down to adding up war

Well that Gore trade would come with a very slightly higher WAR projection but it would be worth all those moves for a slight incremental improvement unless you use the money for an impact bat. Their plan failed miserably at doing that.

I would say the odds of a Skubal trade to us or a Castillo trade are about the same. 10%

What's this about anyway? I'm speaking to what I feel dipoto is capable of pulling off terms of an off season. It might not actually seem to improve the team dramaticly? No kidding, you mean like all the other off seasons where he did accomplish that?

Again, I think its quite possible Jerry Dipoto honors us with an off season where an actual improvement could be debated. The reason, Jerry likes to think long term, you know, the sustainablily thing. Dipoto had Castillo agree to drop his no trade in 2025, now that it's happened he will be tempted to move the $73 MIL owed if he can find a taker.

It will be more important to him to extend the competitive window than signicantly improving this seasons team, that's the trade-off. Seems to me he's basically stated it as the goal, wasn't that the 54% deal I remember hearing about? The doing us a favor? As far as I know, that's the program, extending the window as far as possible.

I don't want to hear about comments he made two years ago loving his rotation or concerns about PR. If you really believe that stuff concerns him then you haven't been paying attention.

Let's see who's plan actually becomes reality. You guys go ahead and keep dreaming about trading for Skubal. I will put this plan up against anyone here in terms of it actually happening. I'm not going to bet a $100 on it but if there was a $100 prize for getting closest I'd be happy with my chances

Interesting that you are still focused on the 54% pressor from 3 years ago but ignoring what he right after the Naylor signing:

“To me, it would have been negligence if we went into the offseason and the first thing we did was let Josh walk away because of some, you know, business decision, instead of just stepping up and doing the thing that kind of kept the band together,” he said.

“We just finished up what was perhaps the best season in our organization’s history,” Dipoto said, before ticking off the boxes any fan has been begging to hear: good farm system, excellent major-league team, fewer holes than ever, and — here’s the big one — actual payroll flexibility to go after more help.

Then he added the part that should be echoing in every fan’s brain: the Mariners are “pretty tenacious” in their desire to find the right players and “do the things to put the team on the field.” That’s not subtle. That’s a front office telling you they see the same path you do, they believe in the roster they’ve built, and they’re not satisfied with “just missed” anymore.

Maybe the most fun part? Dipoto admitted that Naylor and the fans pulled them out of their comfort zone. “We behaved in a way that’s a little different than we would normally behave,” he said. Normally, they’d wait out the market, slot a player into some carefully drawn price band, and wait. This time, “we just knew we wanted him back, so we were willing to do something uncomfortable very quickly.” That’s how real contenders operate. That’s how you treat a guy whose energy, production, and big-moment swagger helped flip the end-of-season “vibe” into something this franchise hasn’t felt in a long time.

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[D-train]

He publicly changed the narrative 180 degrees, if he follows that up with salary dumps and half measures to replace the departing players like he did with Geno and Urias and Rojas he will lose all credibility.

[D-train]

I think the attitude here is, we got to within a game of the WS, this is the time to really add on and go for it. The plans turn on increasing the level of talent as much as possible with a limited budget being the constraining factor.

I doubt that's how Dipoto is looking at it, at least I'm not sold on it. What he could be thinking is, I've accomplished my 90 win team, we have won the division, that box is checked, now the job is to extend this as long as possible.

Adding more seasons of 90 wins will be more valuable to him than adding more wins next season. It's going to be more about maintaining this level of production than increasing it. The best way to ensure a WS would be to continue winning 90 games a season over the next five seasons than trying to win 95 games next season. And to help accomplish that he like to move Castillo's contract.

Cleary you totally missed what I just posted about what he actually said or you think he is lying. btw he negotiated the Castillo's NTC expiring over 3 years ago, doesn't mean he is going to act on it now.

[Donn Beach]

He publicly changed the narrative 180 degrees, if he follows that up with salary dumps and half measures to replace the departing players like he did with Geno and Urias and Rojas he will lose all credibility.

Where has he changed the narrative? And what does Naylor have to do with it? He apologized for his poor communication of his strategy but I don't remember him rejecting it. Terms of Naylor, Dipoto wants to build competitive teams. But look at Dipotos entire body of work, when has ever really made a significant increase in talent over an off season? Go back to the first phase of attempting to make the playoffs. He took a. 500 team and after a hundred trades had created a. 500 team out of it. He's always worked at things incrementally

. I am just going by what I view is his history and his comments, I don't see anything that changes things really. If anything seems to me his approach has been validated. Look at what he said this off season news conference, it was their intention was to focus on their FAs and adding prospects to the roster. You yourself have commented the plan will be Naylor, Polanco, Williamson and Young. I'm saying, the one thing I feel I can safely bet he's thinking about other than the Naylor and Polanco is moving that contract. I think it fits his MO.
I'm not criticizing him for it, I'm just looking at the evidence as I see it. He very well could be correct to focus on the length of the window. It could be they are in the WS three seasons from now instead of beginning a decline.

His credibility, what's his concern? He's going to get canned? Hes not listening to fans. The GM that listens to the fans ends up sitting with the fans. What happened last season? That wasn't enough screaming? Who's got the I told you so smirk on his face?. He's not tearing the team apart. Again, he's going to be able to claim its better. But at the same time I'm expecting there to be complaining about it. He's completely confident in his process. Whatever the complaints might be he's going to say, wait and see.

You can make an arguement for a dramatic move and maybe he will pull some off. In terms of what he's thinking we haven't been here before so who knows. But in terms of how he's always operated as far as I can tell I'd expect another season of incremental tinkering to add talent and a focus on the overall window

[D-train]

If you compare what he said in the 54% fans should be thankful presser three years ago to all his quotes that I posted from the Naylor presser and say where has the narrative changed then I don't know what to tell you. I have called him Greasy Jerry for years and if he says what he said and reverts to sustainability with his actions he will have really earned that title.

[Donn Beach]

If you compare what he said in the 54% fans should be thankful presser three years ago to all his quotes that I posted from the Naylor presser and say where has the narrative changed then I don't know what to tell you. I have called him Greasy Jerry for years and if he says what he said and reverts to sustainability with his actions he will have really earned that title.

I don't see where promoting how aggressive they were bringing back Naylor has anything to do with how he values extending their competitive window these days. Yeah, he claims they went outside their comfort zone, that's great. We both can agree that he could easily point at the Naylor signing as being their big achievement this off season can't we? I don't see where he said they are going to continue to make aggressive moves

[D-train]

If you compare what he said in the 54% fans should be thankful presser three years ago to all his quotes that I posted from the Naylor presser and say where has the narrative changed then I don't know what to tell you. I have called him Greasy Jerry for years and if he says what he said and reverts to sustainability with his actions he will have really earned that title.

I don't see where promoting how aggressive they were bringing back Naylor has anything to do with how he values extending their competitive window these days. Yeah, he claims they went outside their comfort zone, that's great. We both can agree that he could easily point at the Naylor signing as being their big achievement this off season can't we? I don't see where he said they are going to continue to make aggressive moves

For Fucks sakes man he said they are Going to be TENACIOUS. Do you know what that word means???? Hint: it means more aggressive than aggressive. He isn't buying top FAs and prob not trading for Marte or Skubul but he isn't salary dumping either. Team will be better on OD 2026 than right now and it won't be because they will win 90 games the year JD Vance is sworn into office.

[Donn Beach]

Actually tenacious means, persistent, determined. He also said they can be selective now. Being selective doesn't scream aggressive far as I'm concerned

“The fact that we got (Naylor’s deal) done in mid-November allows us to go have an offseason that doesn’t feel like we’re drinking from a fire hose,” Dipoto said. “Now we can be selective in the things we want to do.”