A potential trade target for the M's

[DavidGee24]

Gotta agree with this. I don't see them sending either Colt or Cole back to the minors. And Donovan will be playing when he gets back without a doubt. That's 2 infield spots and a DH right there. The only logical move would be to DFA JP. and they don't have the balls to do that.

Or just DFA Refsnyder and give Schmitt the occasional start at 3B outside of DH duties.

Right now they have Refsynder, Wisdom, and Garver filling the void against lefties. I’m not sure how it’s possible we couldn’t use a good, righty bat at the deadline.

It's really worth thinking about, in my opinion. Adding a solid to plus right-handed bat at a skill position, even as a backup, makes a lot of sense. Schmitt could rotate between 1B, 3B, and DH.

He definitely can't be brought in as a backup, he's earned regular playing time. There's no reason to have him at third with Emerson and Donovan on the roster. The big contract we gave Naylor creates a problem at first as telling Naylor he's going to be DHing frequently will probably go over like a fart in a luxury box.

If we're going to get a right-handed bat, it's got to be a full-time DH unless something happens to Robles, Canzone or Raley and an outfielder is needed.

[D-train]

Gotta agree with this. I don't see them sending either Colt or Cole back to the minors. And Donovan will be playing when he gets back without a doubt. That's 2 infield spots and a DH right there. The only logical move would be to DFA JP. and they don't have the balls to do that.

Or just DFA Refsnyder and give Schmitt the occasional start at 3B outside of DH duties.

Right now they have Refsynder, Wisdom, and Garver filling the void against lefties. I’m not sure how it’s possible we couldn’t use a good, righty bat at the deadline.

It's really worth thinking about, in my opinion. Adding a solid to plus right-handed bat at a skill position, even as a backup, makes a lot of sense. Schmitt could rotate between 1B, 3B, and DH.

Yep just need to clear the decks a bit and even Jerry has been will to do that in July when his trash additions haven't panned out.

[GL_Storm]

Or just DFA Refsnyder and give Schmitt the occasional start at 3B outside of DH duties.

Right now they have Refsynder, Wisdom, and Garver filling the void against lefties. I’m not sure how it’s possible we couldn’t use a good, righty bat at the deadline.

It's really worth thinking about, in my opinion. Adding a solid to plus right-handed bat at a skill position, even as a backup, makes a lot of sense. Schmitt could rotate between 1B, 3B, and DH.

He definitely can't be brought in as a backup, he's earned regular playing time. There's no reason to have him at third with Emerson and Donovan on the roster. The big contract we gave Naylor creates a problem at first as telling Naylor he's going to be DHing frequently will probably go over like a fart in a luxury box.

If we're going to get a right-handed bat, it's got to be a full-time DH unless something happens to Robles, Canzone or Raley and an outfielder is needed.

I think you would bring him in as the everyday DH and then he would backup at the other positions. I'm assuming Canzone would go in the trade or would be moved in a different deal.

[DavidGee24]

I think you would bring him in as the everyday DH and then he would backup at the other positions. I'm assuming Canzone would go in the trade or would be moved in a different deal.

Again, that wouldn't go over well with him. Unfortunately, these guys are human beings with pro athlete egos.

With Cal and Donovan coming back from injury, I'd be surprised to see us trade for more offense unless we trade Canzone for a right-handed bat which isn't going to be Schmitt. If we want a big right-handed bat it would have to be Canzone and one of our better (not best, but better) prospects like Montes. My guess is that in July we'll be looking more at bullpen arms.

[AT Fresno]

I was originally thinking the best option for third/first base was Alec Bohn, But with Emerson up you want him everyday and given the cost for Bohn it's probably not worth it. Other similar targets might be Christian Walker, Rhys Hoskins, or Jake Burger. I suppose we could look to the outfield where the best right hand options are Julio, Randy, and Robles. We don't need Refsnyder. Robles is a great defensive late inning replacement, extra inning bunter or base stealer coming off the bench, but we might find a better right hand power bat than Refsnyder. Also, Garver could go when Cal returns. The M's have been linked to righty OF/versatile bats in the past for platoon help (e.g., vs. lefties). Internal options like prospects (Colt Emerson, etc.) or current pieces (Raley/Refsnyder) help, but an external RH power add would give more punch.
It's so fkkkng complicated, this roster construction, I. don't really know what to do.

[Captain 97]

If you bring him in as the every day DH, then one of your 4 infielders has to go to a bench role. Donovan can play the outfield against Lefties but you aren't going to bench Raley and his 161 OPS+ against righties. I suppose you could kind of have rotating day offs so everyone gets a day off every 5 days.

Day 1- Schmitt DH, Donavan 3b, JP SS, Young 2b, Emerson Bench
Day 2- Schmitt DH, Emerson 3b, JP SS, Young 2b, Donovan Bench
Day 3- Schmitt DH, Emerson 3b, JP SS, Donovan 2b, Young Bench
Day 4- Donovan DH, Schmitt 3b, Emerson SS, Young 2b, JP Bench
Day 5- Donavan DH, Emerson 3b, JP SS, Young 2b, Schmitt Bench

[D-train]

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[D-train]

I was originally thinking the best option for third/first base was Alec Bohn, But with Emerson up you want him everyday and given the cost for Bohn it's probably not worth it. Other similar targets might be Christian Walker, Rhys Hoskins, or Jake Burger. I suppose we could look to the outfield where the best right hand options are Julio, Randy, and Robles. We don't need Refsnyder. Robles is a great defensive late inning replacement, extra inning bunter or base stealer coming off the bench, but we might find a better right hand power bat than Refsnyder. Also, Garver could go when Cal returns. The M's have been linked to righty OF/versatile bats in the past for platoon help (e.g., vs. lefties). Internal options like prospects (Colt Emerson, etc.) or current pieces (Raley/Refsnyder) help, but an external RH power add would give more punch.
It's so fkkkng complicated, this roster construction, I. don't really know what to do.

Yeah not to mention Bohm is a negative WAR noodle bat and would barely be an upgrade over Refsnyder...

[Seattle or Bust]

Their starters have combined for -1.7 bWAR and their highest rated pitching prospect would be around 15-20 in our org… but is currently 10th in theirs.

Evans, when healthy, would immediately slot in their rotation and be their highest rated pitching prospect despite the UCL. They need MLB ready starters in the worst of ways.

Also… 5 of the top 6 in their farm are SS/2B’s. They don’t need Arroyo, they need pitching.

And Schmitt won’t land them a frontline starter, but certainly Evans’ long-term control combined with Canzone in a throw away year would def be appealing.

One thing you have to remember is that other franchises are going to be in the bidding. Here's Logan Evans' career: https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ans-000log Along with his injury history this doesn't really wow anybody and someone else should be able to offer better. Even with a guy like Posey, you're offering rubble for diamonds. The fallacy of fan trades.

That's all fine and dandy, but Casey Schmitt is not a "diamond" just because of a hot 50 games.

Even with the start offensively, he's only worth 1.3 fWAR through a third of the season... that's tied for 57th in baseball. He has a career 1.8 fWAR over 277 games. He will have accumulated essentially the same amount of service time as Randy when Randy was traded to the M's and Randy had put up over 10 fWAR. He was traded for the no. 12 and 22 prospects in the M's org.

Using the MLBTV calculator like DT did... Evans is still valued at $7.1M. Him, combined with Canzone, is essentially a fair trade and I think $20M for Schmitt is a bit of a joke when you consider his history. UCL tears aren't that big of a deal and Evans was a top 100 prospect by some publications before graduating.

Starting 16 games to a 4.32 ERA as a 23 year old is solid. He's not chopped liver.

[Seattle or Bust]

Their starters have combined for -1.7 bWAR and their highest rated pitching prospect would be around 15-20 in our org… but is currently 10th in theirs.

Evans, when healthy, would immediately slot in their rotation and be their highest rated pitching prospect despite the UCL. They need MLB ready starters in the worst of ways.

Also… 5 of the top 6 in their farm are SS/2B’s. They don’t need Arroyo, they need pitching.

And Schmitt won’t land them a frontline starter, but certainly Evans’ long-term control combined with Canzone in a throw away year would def be appealing.

One thing you have to remember is that other franchises are going to be in the bidding. Here's Logan Evans' career: https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ans-000log Along with his injury history this doesn't really wow anybody and someone else should be able to offer better. Even with a guy like Posey, you're offering rubble for diamonds. The fallacy of fan trades.

That's all fine and dandy, but Casey Schmitt is not a "diamond" just because of a hot 50 games.

Even with the start offensively, he's only worth 1.3 fWAR through a third of the season... that's tied for 57th in baseball. He has a career 1.8 fWAR over 277 games. He will have accumulated essentially the same amount of service time as Randy when Randy was traded to the M's and Randy had put up over 10 fWAR. He was traded for the no. 12 and 22 prospects in the M's org.

Using the MLBTV calculator like DT did... Evans is still valued at $7.1M. Him, combined with Canzone, is essentially a fair trade and I think $20M for Schmitt is a bit of a joke when you consider his history. UCL tears aren't that big of a deal and Evans was a top 100 prospect by some publications before graduating.

Starting 16 games to a 4.32 ERA as a 23 year old is solid. He's not chopped liver.

Case in point... Schmitt's OPS has dropped 40 points in the last 2 days after an 0-9 run... while Canzone's has risen some 40 points. They're now essentially even.

Early season stats are great. I saw Julio's slugging dropped nearly 50 points after a rough past 3 days before the homer he hit.