Quick Fix

[Donn Beach]

Morosi with some suggestions, and he's right. This isn't about trading for Buxton or whoever, it's about this team playing better

“The issues, I would say, (are) at the right-handed side of their platoons. (Victor) Robles has really not had a very productive year, I would say, and then (Rob) Refsnyder,” Morosi said. “So you could probably improve one of those roster spots. Is it a Casey Schmitt? Is it a Ryan Kreidler? Is it a Dane Myers? These are sort of marginal guys that can probably do a better job in that role. Schmitt’s actually had a pretty good year with the Giants, who are definitely going to be sellers. So those are the types of moves that I’m looking at.

“Notice these are not megastars. This is not a team that is calling for a megastar trade. This is a team that is calling for their own stars to perform better

[bpj]

Morosi with some suggestions, and he's right. This isn't about trading for Buxton or whoever, it's about this team playing better

“The issues, I would say, (are) at the right-handed side of their platoons. (Victor) Robles has really not had a very productive year, I would say, and then (Rob) Refsnyder,” Morosi said. “So you could probably improve one of those roster spots. Is it a Casey Schmitt? Is it a Ryan Kreidler? Is it a Dane Myers? These are sort of marginal guys that can probably do a better job in that role. Schmitt’s actually had a pretty good year with the Giants, who are definitely going to be sellers. So those are the types of moves that I’m looking at.

“Notice these are not megastars. This is not a team that is calling for a megastar trade. This is a team that is calling for their own stars to perform better

Those are the dumbest, most useless trade ideas I've ever read.

This is a team that has no stars acting like it does.

They have one hit wonders, at best.

The team's been worse every time Cal Raleigh is in the lineup.

Who else is a star? Julio? Lol.

[Big_Maple]

This team is in total freefall.

Wilson is so out of his depth that he’s managing the bullpen like it’s a literal farm with actual cows. He is so out of his depth that he keeps asking the umpires for “do-overs” like it’s tee-ball. Fire him. Yesterday. Hire Alex Cora. Today.

Our “stars” are bumbling through the season. Cal couldn’t hit a beach ball with a wiffle bat. Julio has not assumed his role as team leader and will not deliver us to the promised land…at least not this season. He’s batting an anemic .253 while looking like he’s still waiting for the 2025 version of himself to show up.

And offense? What offense? They’re playing baseball the way your drunk uncle plays cornhole—lots of flailing, occasional accidental success.

Adam Jude ranked some players the M’s could target at the deadline. Forget Buxton (he won’t waive his no-trade clause) and Aroldis Chapman (he still has that domestic abuse issue from years ago, and the M’s have been shy about adding players with that kind of history).

His recommendations are for broke-assed players who won’t provide any kind of upgrade - Royce Lewis, Spencer Steer, and in the bullpen - Luke Weaver or Anthony Bender.

Sigh. I guess as a mariners fan I can just admit that there’s always next year.

[bpj]

I have a hard time believing someone playing for the Twins wouldn't waive their no-trade clause.

[Big_Maple]

I have a hard time believing someone playing for the Twins wouldn't waive their no-trade clause.

He apparently wants to “retire as a Twin”.

bpj- if we could get him, that would be huge. I would actually think our reason is salvageable. But I’ve read several times in several places that Buxton has no interest in being traded…

[D-train]

I have a hard time believing someone playing for the Twins wouldn't waive their no-trade clause.

He apparently wants to “retire as a Twin”.

bpj- if we could get him, that would be huge. I would actually think our reason is salvageable. But I’ve read several times in several places that Buxton has no interest in being traded…

You are correct, sir and I also find it astounding.

[Big_Maple]

Dunno where this should go - so I’ll stick it here.

I’ve been reading a lot lately about the possibility of a strike or lockout this offseason. If this is what the owners are proposing , then almost certainly the players will never go for it, and a strike seems likely:

“Forget eliminating Shohei Ohtani-esque, $700 million contracts in free agency. If the owners have their way in baseball’s labor negotiations, Alex Rodriguez’s $252-million signing from December 2000 wouldn’t be allowed in the future either.

Major League Baseball’s owners on Thursday proposed a $202 million limit on contracts for free agents who leave their current team — $50 million less than the amount A-Rod took to leave Seattle and sign with the Texas Rangers a quarter-century ago.”

And yet, there’s this:

“The league also dangled changes that, in isolation, would be better for players compared to the status quo. It proposed eliminating the qualifying offer for free agents, a mechanism that can sometimes depress player markets. MLB also said it would raise the minimum salary to $900,000 for players in their first two years in the big leagues, and to $1 million for players in their third. Today’s minimum is $780,000.

And the league said it would allow players who are at least 30 to become free agents after five years of service, rather than the current six, something the players’ union itself proposed earlier in these negotiations.”

So it seems like the owners want to incentivize players to stick with teams that drafted and developed them, while offering a concessions to the players in general.

Scott Boras said “the league’s proposal is like offering a few pieces of nice furniture if you’ll move into a room that has a four-foot ceiling.”

[DavidGee24]

I have a hard time believing someone playing for the Twins wouldn't waive their no-trade clause.

Especially considering that Chris Rock famously said, "The only two black people in Minnesota are Kirby Puckett and Prince". When you add George Floyd to the mix you wonder why Buxton would want to live in a state where he's virtually guaranteed to die at a young age.

[Donn Beach]

I have a hard time believing someone playing for the Twins wouldn't waive their no-trade clause.

Especially considering that Chris Rock famously said, "The only two black people in Minnesota are Kirby Puckett and Prince". When you add George Floyd to the mix you wonder why Buxton would want to live in a state where he's virtually guaranteed to die at a young age.

Im going to guess because it's not about how many blacks live in Minnesota as it's about getting traded is a pain in the fucking ass. If he's reluctant to go through the crap that getting traded involves I'm sure he'd be really excited about doing it in the middle of the season. Getting Buxton to agree to switch teams isn't a deadline kind of a deal. If it was possible it's the sort of thing that get engineered over an off season.

The deadline is mostly a hype job to begin with. What it's not about is trying to reengineer an underperforming team. It's about trying to add a piece to complete a team. This is what I brought up before. It's not about trying to compensate for a team of underperforming players. That's for the off season.

And why would the Twins be interested in trading Buxton at the deadline? The deadline is about trying to leverage guys on expiring contracts to teams trying to make the playoffs. The twins would want as big a field of interested teams as possible. That would mean teams looking to rebuild their rosters, that's done over the off season.

[DavidGee24]

I have a hard time believing someone playing for the Twins wouldn't waive their no-trade clause.

Especially considering that Chris Rock famously said, "The only two black people in Minnesota are Kirby Puckett and Prince". When you add George Floyd to the mix you wonder why Buxton would want to live in a state where he's virtually guaranteed to die at a young age.

Im going to guess because it's not about how many blacks live in Minnesota as it's about getting traded is a pain in the fucking ass. If he's reluctant to go through the crap that getting traded involves I'm sure he'd be really excited about doing it in the middle of the season. Getting Buxton to agree to switch teams isn't a deadline kind of a deal. If it was possible it's the sort of thing that get engineered over an off season.

The deadline is mostly a hype job to begin with. What it's not about is trying to reengineer an underperforming team. It's about trying to add a piece to complete a team. This is what I brought up before. It's not about trying to compensate for a team of underperforming players. That's for the off season.

And why would the Twins be interested in trading Buxton at the deadline? The deadline is about trying to leverage guys on expiring contracts to teams trying to make the playoffs. The twins would want as big a field of interested teams as possible. That would mean teams looking to rebuild their rosters, that's done over the off season.

Your inability to get jokes aside, you're correct on looking at it from the Twins point of view. They're going to want good players, and good players that they'll have a few years control over. That probably eliminates our entire starting rotation although maybe they would say yes to Woo or Miller, but then that probably wouldn't be a good trade for us unless we at least win the pennant. They'd probably want Sloan- and Montez-types.