Donavon trade update

[Donn Beach]

You think the Mariners issue is not enough depth around the edges? Interesting

[Seattle or Bust]

You think the Mariners issue is not enough depth around the edges? Interesting

Yes.

I think Rob Refsnyder putting up -1.1 bWAR in 105 PA's is a problem.

I think Victor Robles putting up -0.7 bWAR in 106 PA's is a problem.

I think the M's relying on fringe relievers in key situations b/c Dipoto didn't do well adding depth here has led to more losses than WAR could indicate.

The core players the M's have are they players they have. You have to live with their performance. Where GM's make their money is players on the fringes that act as the glue of the roster.

Jerry has failed here. In fact, he usually does.

[D-train]

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How have they benefited just fine from it? They are the team out of the three not in first place

As if one player or mid-tier trade uniquely leads to a team being in first place or speaks to the benefit lol.

The trades you mention have hardly made a blip on scale.

Williamson sucks and the Rays trading for him made barely any difference. He's been worth less fWAR than Donovan.

Cjinte sucks and the Cardinals trading for him has made no difference in them contending.

Im saying the cardinals were percieved to be relagated to rebuild mode, something they in fact they arent used to doing. They traded off players for development pieces for the future. But here they are in first place and i think considering using Cjinte for an immediate impact. It has nothing to do with judging the trade or regretting it. Im comparing where the two teams are, generally viewing the off seasons. The mariners were supposed to be AL WS favorites and the Cardinals were supposed to be relagated to second tier. Its like if mariners had managed to have traded away veterans for prospects and be putting up a better record this season. The Cardinals off season looks like gang busters at this point, the mariners not so much. You guys complain about dipotos roster building. The cardinals seems more successful. The

Donovan trade didnt have anything to do with it? The cardinals managed to trade him and not skip a beat. They have fielded an even more successful team, im impressed. Seems more impressive than what dipoto has to point at

fyi the Cardinals have been better than expected but are in 3rd place 8.5 back of the 1st place Brewers. Getting simple facts straight would be helpful.

[Seattle or Bust]

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As if one player or mid-tier trade uniquely leads to a team being in first place or speaks to the benefit lol.

The trades you mention have hardly made a blip on scale.

Williamson sucks and the Rays trading for him made barely any difference. He's been worth less fWAR than Donovan.

Cjinte sucks and the Cardinals trading for him has made no difference in them contending.

Im saying the cardinals were percieved to be relagated to rebuild mode, something they in fact they arent used to doing. They traded off players for development pieces for the future. But here they are in first place and i think considering using Cjinte for an immediate impact. It has nothing to do with judging the trade or regretting it. Im comparing where the two teams are, generally viewing the off seasons. The mariners were supposed to be AL WS favorites and the Cardinals were supposed to be relagated to second tier. Its like if mariners had managed to have traded away veterans for prospects and be putting up a better record this season. The Cardinals off season looks like gang busters at this point, the mariners not so much. You guys complain about dipotos roster building. The cardinals seems more successful. The

Donovan trade didnt have anything to do with it? The cardinals managed to trade him and not skip a beat. They have fielded an even more successful team, im impressed. Seems more impressive than what dipoto has to point at

fyi the Cardinals have been better than expected but are in 3rd place 8.5 back of the 1st place Brewers. Getting simple facts straight would be helpful.

Not to mention that the M's have a better expected W/L record than the Cardinals.

[Donn Beach]

Honestly im not following them closely enough these days to have much of an opinion. Maybe my jumping off the band wagon can be the spark to get them going. I do think for as much attention refsnyder gets its not a key to the issue. Hes a bench player with a 100 at bats. Hes cost them a win. I get back to what i originally complained about, sloppy baseball. I listened to the Passan item bpjs post referred to. That waa the first thing brought up, the sloppy baseball. Whos to blame, what to do about it i dont know but its hard for me to get past that

[DavidGee24]

Honestly im not following them closely enough these days to have much of an opinion. Maybe my jumping off the band wagon can be the spark to get them going. I do think for as much attention refsnyder gets its not a key to the issue. Hes a bench player with a 100 at bats. Hes cost them a win. I get back to what i originally complained about, sloppy baseball. I listened to the Passan item bpjs post referred to. That waa the first thing brought up, the sloppy baseball. Whos to blame, what to do about it i dont know but its hard for me to get past that

DB: "The Cardinals are in first place"
Also DB: "I'm not following them"
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[Seattle or Bust]

Honestly im not following them closely enough these days to have much of an opinion. Maybe my jumping off the band wagon can be the spark to get them going. I do think for as much attention refsnyder gets its not a key to the issue. Hes a bench player with a 100 at bats. Hes cost them a win. I get back to what i originally complained about, sloppy baseball. I listened to the Passan item bpjs post referred to. That waa the first thing brought up, the sloppy baseball. Whos to blame, what to do about it i dont know but its hard for me to get past that

They are 28th in baseball vs left handed pitching. He is one of the main catalysts for why this team has struggled so bad vs the dexterity.

-1.1 bWAR in just over 100 plate appearances is criminal. His career high is just over 300... he'd put up over -3 bWAR at this pace in half the AB's of a standard player.

That is on pace for some of the worst production in MLB history.

[Donn Beach]

Honestly im not following them closely enough these days to have much of an opinion. Maybe my jumping off the band wagon can be the spark to get them going. I do think for as much attention refsnyder gets its not a key to the issue. Hes a bench player with a 100 at bats. Hes cost them a win. I get back to what i originally complained about, sloppy baseball. I listened to the Passan item bpjs post referred to. That waa the first thing brought up, the sloppy baseball. Whos to blame, what to do about it i dont know but its hard for me to get past that

They are 28th in baseball vs left handed pitching. He is one of the main catalysts for why this team has struggled so bad vs the dexterity.

-1.1 bWAR in just over 100 plate appearances is criminal. His career high is just over 300... he'd put up over -3 bWAR at this pace in half the AB's of a standard player.

That is on pace for some of the worst production in MLB history.

Yeah, they are 28th against left handed pitchers. Give Refsnyder a decent 100 plate appearances, how much does that move the needle? Seriously, how many spots can you move them up?

[bpj]

Haven't looked through these yet, but here's how they've done against RHP and LHP.

Dom Canzone leads the list vs. LHP, thats how you can tell the images apart.

League average would be a 100 wRC+, so anyone above or below is that % better or worse than league average.

Raleigh's obviously getting killed by LHP.

[Seattle or Bust]

Honestly im not following them closely enough these days to have much of an opinion. Maybe my jumping off the band wagon can be the spark to get them going. I do think for as much attention refsnyder gets its not a key to the issue. Hes a bench player with a 100 at bats. Hes cost them a win. I get back to what i originally complained about, sloppy baseball. I listened to the Passan item bpjs post referred to. That waa the first thing brought up, the sloppy baseball. Whos to blame, what to do about it i dont know but its hard for me to get past that

They are 28th in baseball vs left handed pitching. He is one of the main catalysts for why this team has struggled so bad vs the dexterity.

-1.1 bWAR in just over 100 plate appearances is criminal. His career high is just over 300... he'd put up over -3 bWAR at this pace in half the AB's of a standard player.

That is on pace for some of the worst production in MLB history.

Yeah, they are 28th against left handed pitchers. Give Refsnyder a decent 100 plate appearances, how much does that move the needle? Seriously, how many spots can you move them up?

I think it's a larger picture than you're making it.

A really good right handed bat changes the complexion of this lineup vs left handed pitching. It elevates everyone.

Only 3x players in baseball have a worse WAR rate per plate appearance... they are Ha Seong Kim, Austin Wynns and Chris Morel. Wynns and Morel have both been DFA'd. Kim was put on the IL after just 27 games and likely wont sniff a roster spot.

If the M's had Spencer Steer (190 OPS+), Randal Grichuck (150 OPS+), Taylor Ward (153 OPS+) vs left handed pitching... yes, it would make a significant difference to the complexion of the lineup compared to Refsnyder (29 OPS+).