Top 50 Mariners of all time

[D-train]

Aside from 10-20 players this list is pathetic .

It is. At the same time, we can put up Junior/A-Rod/Ichiro/Gar/The Big Unit against anyone's Fab Five, even the Yankees.

And our big Four are a DEI administrator's DREAM! lol

[Hy Feiber]

All of Junior's great accomplishments aside, he Did leave the team for the last time, in a totally classless manner, destroying the chemistry of the clubhouse, in his child-like rants against Wakamatsu, who benched a clearly over the hill guy.

Slash and burn.

How many icons ended their careers in such a petulant way, I don't recall many.

And Junior sabotaged efforts to maximize the return for him, by demanding he go to the Reds only.

They should not have brought him back.

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[DavidGee24]

Aside from 10-20 players this list is pathetic .

It is. At the same time, we can put up Junior/A-Rod/Ichiro/Gar/The Big Unit against anyone's Fab Five, even the Yankees.

But again, all five on one team and we have exactly zero WS appearances to show for it. Such a Mariner thing

Ichiro only intersected with Gar. However, they also had Buhner, Tino/Sorrento, and Blowers. What killed them was that they usually only had one other good starting pitcher and maybe one good pitcher in the bullpen.

[D-train]

Funny, just saw this posted on Facebook!

On this day, the Seattle Mariners traded setup man Jeff Nelson to the Yankees for Armando Benítez. There was actual context to the trade: Nelson had publicly called out the Mariners organization for failing to make a much-needed move to bolster the offense, as Seattle was clearly short a bat to make a strong playoff run.

This was also the third straight season the Mariners stood pat at the trade deadline due to frugal ownership a conservative approach that had already cost them a spot in the 2002 postseason.

Famously, in 2002, CEO Howard Lincoln made a controversial statement regarding team philosophy:
"The goal of the Mariners is not to win the World Series. It is to field a competitive team year after year, to put itself in a position to win a World Series, and hope at some point that happens."

Jeff Nelson clearly understood the internal dynamics of the organization and spoke up not just for his teammates, but for the entire fanbase.
Ultimately, the Mariners missed the 2003 playoffs.

Classic fucking clowns..And they still think that is a good idea today. Never forget when Stanton says he runs the M's like any other business.

[Michael K.]

Funny, just saw this posted on Facebook!

Famously, in 2002, CEO Howard Lincoln made a controversial statement regarding team philosophy:
"The goal of the Mariners is not to win the World Series. It is to field a competitive team year after year, to put itself in a position to win a World Series, and hope at some point that happens."

Jeff Nelson clearly understood the internal dynamics of the organization and spoke up not just for his teammates, but for the entire fanbase.
Ultimately, the Mariners missed the 2003 playoffs.

Classic fucking clowns..And they still think that is a good idea today. Never forget when Stanton says he runs the M's like any other business.

Yeah, the above comment from Lincoln stinks of Dipoto. Howard was the one that first caused me to hate the Front Office. That dude ruined what should have been a dynasty because he was an egotistical fuckhead. Basically, he is most likely Jerry's father. Trading Graveman in the middle of a playoff chase gave me fricking PTSD.

[Captain 97]

30. Logan Gilbert
29. Floyd Bannister
28. Harold Reynolds
27. Raul Ibanez
26. Phil Bradley
25. Erik Hanson
24. MItch Haniger
23. Hisashi Iwakuma
22. Mike Moore
21. J.P. Crawford

On what planet is Moore #22? In four of his seven seasons with the Mariners he SUCKED. Iwakuma and Hanson were way better, and Gilbert is way better. WTF

Mike Moore had several good seasons for the Ms He is right in between Cameron and Olerud on the franchise WAR leaderboard. In 85 he had 17 wins and a 6.3 WAR.

[DavidGee24]

30. Logan Gilbert
29. Floyd Bannister
28. Harold Reynolds
27. Raul Ibanez
26. Phil Bradley
25. Erik Hanson
24. MItch Haniger
23. Hisashi Iwakuma
22. Mike Moore
21. J.P. Crawford

On what planet is Moore #22? In four of his seven seasons with the Mariners he SUCKED. Iwakuma and Hanson were way better, and Gilbert is way better. WTF

Mike Moore had several good seasons for the Ms He is right in between Cameron and Olerud on the franchise WAR leaderboard. In 85 he had 17 wins and a 6.3 WAR.

Here's the thing though: Cameron never sucked in a Mariner uniform, and Olerud only sucked at the end of his career. Moore had three really bad seasons and one other bad season out of seven, and that 4.6 WAR in a season where he had a 4.30 ERA and a 1.402 WHIP is baffling. His overall WAR is more of an accumulation than it is indicative of how good he was. An average player over a full season is worth 1.8 WAR, so you can accumulate 1.0s and 1.5s and that doesn't make you a good player.

[D-train]

30. Logan Gilbert
29. Floyd Bannister
28. Harold Reynolds
27. Raul Ibanez
26. Phil Bradley
25. Erik Hanson
24. MItch Haniger
23. Hisashi Iwakuma
22. Mike Moore
21. J.P. Crawford

On what planet is Moore #22? In four of his seven seasons with the Mariners he SUCKED. Iwakuma and Hanson were way better, and Gilbert is way better. WTF

Mike Moore had several good seasons for the Ms He is right in between Cameron and Olerud on the franchise WAR leaderboard. In 85 he had 17 wins and a 6.3 WAR.

He had 56 complete games.

Gilbert 2
Kirby 2
Hancock 0
Miller 0
Woo 0

[DavidGee24]

Mike Moore had several good seasons for the Ms He is right in between Cameron and Olerud on the franchise WAR leaderboard. In 85 he had 17 wins and a 6.3 WAR.

He had 56 complete games.

Gilbert 2
Kirby 2
Hancock 0
Miller 0
Woo 0

Man, different times. Makes you wonder what effect that had on guys like him, Mark Langston, Mike Parrott, Jim Beattie, etc. Langston feuded with Dick Williams over being "overworked", publicly criticized him, and Williams called Langston "gutless". Weird because Langston had by far the best and longest career.