Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

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Re: Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

Post by GL_Storm » Sun Aug 16, 2026 8:41 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2026 8:09 pm
GL_Storm wrote:
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I think Cal started the season injured and likely is carrying a number of minor aches and pains from catching for so many years, and there's probably a certain amount of mental exhaustion from dealing with this pitching staff. But the main thing is that pitchers are attacking him differently than they did last year and he hasn't been able to adjust in response. He's talked about the high heat being a problem. I'm sure he understands what it is that they're doing. That he can't seem to adjust in-season should be an indicator of how hard it is.

I wonder if what we're seeing with Cal is just something we will see from time to time in the game now, where opposing pitching staffs spend an offseason figuring out how to get you out. In Cal's case, because he was always more of an all or nothing hitter, the impact of that offseason adjustment is simply more profound than what we see with, for example, Julio and Naylor. You could also look at players like Tatis Jr., who is still productive but the year over year trend seems kind of relentless in trying to neutralize his power. I'm also curious about the Baltimore hitters. A couple of years ago, that group looked like the next great young group of hitters, but the league seems to have worn them all down.

They do this in season. it's a cat and mouse game. a cat and mouse game that Cal is losing bad. cat keeps getting the mouse, or mouse keeps escaping... take your pick.
Yes, it's a constant adjustment by both sides. But I think what's happened here probably requires a swing change and a wholesale change in approach. He has to be more contact oriented (that's the swing change part) and he has to be more willing to lay off certain pitches and take a walk.

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Re: Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

Post by harmony » Mon Aug 17, 2026 3:59 am

D-train wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2026 2:31 pm
With Harry getting called up to the Nats and Cal turning into a rotten pumpkin and Ferrer regressing to what he has always been this trade now looks idiotic on Jerry's part.

Still only 55 PAs for Harry Ford but he has a .774 OPS and positive D metrics. 0.5 fWAR which projects to over 5 WAR for a full season. But we didn't need him.

btw Ferrer has put up exactly 0.0 fWAR this season. 😬

Ford has taken the lead in the battle of Ford vs. Ferrari.
BTW as of June 1 Jose A. Ferrer had posted 0.7 fWAR through his first 29 appearances with the Mariners:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... 01&qual=10

Ferrer has still been credited with 0.5 bWAR for the season:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... jo01.shtml

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Re: Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

Post by D-train » Mon Aug 17, 2026 4:04 am

And he has sucked ever since June 1st with a 5.68 ERA and -0.5 WAR. What's your point. Do June July and August not count???
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Re: Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

Post by harmony » Tue Aug 18, 2026 12:11 am

D-train wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2026 4:04 am
And he has sucked ever since June 1st with a 5.68 ERA and -0.5 WAR. What's your point. Do June July and August not count???
Harry Ford's small sample is even less meaningful than Jose A. Ferrer's small sample.

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Re: Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

Post by D-train » Tue Aug 18, 2026 2:07 am

Agree on Ford. Will check back in at the end of the season. What
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Re: Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

Post by Captain 97 » Tue Aug 18, 2026 5:03 pm

I had no problem with trading Ford. I just had a problem with trading atop 100 prospect for a reliever with a 4.48 ERA. At the time I made the comment that they might as well have just resigned Caleb Ferguson. I was told that Ferrer was a unicorn because he was a lefty that throws 100 and I didn't know what I was talking about. Ferrer and Ferguson both currently have an identical ERA+ of 106. Identical fWAR of 0 and Fergusen has a slightly better K%.

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Re: Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

Post by D-train » Tue Aug 18, 2026 5:17 pm

Yep drafting a guy in the first round and then developing him for years and then trading him for a mid reliever that you need to work miracles with to be good is Highly Questionable

Calkins out with a piece today ripping Jerry
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Re: Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

Post by DavidGee24 » Tue Aug 18, 2026 5:54 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2026 5:03 pm
I had no problem with trading Ford. I just had a problem with trading atop 100 prospect for a reliever with a 4.48 ERA. At the time I made the comment that they might as well have just resigned Caleb Ferguson. I was told that Ferrer was a unicorn because he was a lefty that throws 100 and I didn't know what I was talking about. Ferrer and Ferguson both currently have an identical ERA+ of 106. Identical fWAR of 0 and Fergusen has a slightly better K%.
That's why we always have to refer to the Moneyball quote (slight alteration here), "If he's such a good pitcher, then why doesn't he pitch good?" And this season, as a lefty pitching half his games in the best pitcher's park for lefties in baseball, his WHIP is 1.353. The front office probably thought they were fleecing the Nats.

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Re: Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

Post by D-train » Tue Aug 18, 2026 8:33 pm

Yep and they thought they were getting the Iron Man in the form of Donovan. Thought they signed Naylor on a bargain of a deal and thought rev Schneider was going to continue to mash Lefty's even though he was mid-thirties and never hit at T-Mobile Park
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Re: Update on the Ford vs. Ferrari trade

Post by Michael K. » Tue Aug 18, 2026 9:47 pm

D-train wrote:
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I chatted with her a few years ago. Very nice young woman. I thought she might be almost 6 ft tall so I asked her her height. "only" 5'8".

I said, "Good, I have 3 inches on you so it won't be awkward when I fantasize about you" She LOLed. :)
You should never reference three inches when chatting or flirting with a woman!

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