PCJS marriage

[Donn Beach]

they went to the playoffs 10 times in 34 years before PCJS, they have gone 8 times in the 10 years since

[Goms]

I have read your posts most of them until you start fighting for your opinion but your entitled to it i just disagree and i would bet most on here do. Remember first and foremost there is a cap on salary and because of that every team must decide how to spend there money the best way they can. The offensive line has been where they have dropped the ball the most IMO but every team drops the ball only one a year wins the championship. Yes we should have more then one, we do not. You can say that we blew it i say in 05 we were robbed and in 14 that team should have won but our riverboat gambler of a coach called the wrong play. So what we would not have been there in the first place without that coach IMO. Now Russ is a franchise QB i agree the second coming he is not. He makes mistakes and big ones its all part of who he is. Are we wasting his time? No i would say him maxing out his contract means its about him more then the team that he promotes. He is rich now its time to win is he worth the money yes but when you take up so much of the cap you can't complain when superstars are not brought in. Now lastly on your complaint of our team we were 10-2 last year when injuries just devastated us, we still came a touchdown short of a NFC championship game that is impressive and I for one cannot for a second critisize this team over the season they just had in fact i amazed by it. These guys are winners are they the team of the decade no because of lack of rings but they should be and i for one love the run these guys have put in and its far from over.

[Goms]

I have read your posts most of them until you start fighting for your opinion but your entitled to it i just disagree and i would bet most on here do. Remember first and foremost there is a cap on salary and because of that every team must decide how to spend there money the best way they can. The offensive line has been where they have dropped the ball the most IMO but every team drops the ball only one a year wins the championship. Yes we should have more then one, we do not. You can say that we blew it i say in 05 we were robbed and in 14 that team should have won but our riverboat gambler of a coach called the wrong play. So what we would not have been there in the first place without that coach IMO. Now Russ is a franchise QB i agree the second coming he is not. He makes mistakes and big ones its all part of who he is. Are we wasting his time? No i would say him maxing out his contract means its about him more then the team that he promotes. He is rich now its time to win is he worth the money yes but when you take up so much of the cap you can't complain when superstars are not brought in. Now lastly on your complaint of our team we were 10-2 last year when injuries just devastated us, we still came a touchdown short of a NFC championship game that is impressive and I for one cannot for a second critisize this team over the season they just had in fact i amazed by it. These guys are winners are they the team of the decade no because of lack of rings but they should be and i for one love the run these guys have put in and its far from over.

This is in response to Mike K

[D-train]

Yes i agreee can't wait to get back to those 4 and 12 years or better yet the 3 and 13 ones give me a break and enjoy the damn ride these guys just might have another championship in them, maybe not but its a lot more enjoyable now then in the past!!!!

From 2003-07 we won 51 games and were a horridly officiated game from winning the SB. Following that run we did have one 4-12 season. Prior to that it was FORTY years ago that we had our other 4-12 season. We have literally NEVER had a 3-13 season. We also averaged 10 wins a season from 1983-87.

So let's not pretend averaging 10 wins a season like we have the past five years while winning 3 playoff games vs. incredibly weak opponents is unprecedented and can never ever be replicated again once PC/JS are gone.

Ok then another 5-11 or 6-10 season sorry im not into past football seasons like when i was young doesn't matter what im saying is before Pete we has a year of two under Holmgrum or Ground Chuck but for the most part this was a loosing team i know i have been a fan since the start.

If you take away the first two expansion years which of course we were going to suck, the all time franchise record is 33 games over .500. Under PC we are 41 games over .500 under PC so prior to PC we were 8 games under .500 from 1979-2009 and made the playoffs 10 times. Not great but I wouldn't call that a losing franchise. Also consider the worst years were when Ken Behring owned the team insisting on crazy shit like picking Dan McGwire instead of Bret Favre. Switching owners would make me far more nervous than switching HC/GM

[Goms]

they went to the playoffs 10 times in 34 years before PCJS, they have gone 8 times in the 10 years since

That kind of puts this ridiculous argument to rest for me i would hope for others also.

[Donn Beach]

Its not about comparing PC to season's past, its about comparing him to his contemporaries. The guy was just named coach of the decade, its hard for me to see a reason to can him. I know, you are going to say its time to change the offense. But it seems odd to me to decide to do that when the coach just took them to the second round of the playoffs. I know Michael will be happy to explain how really mediocre they actually have been, but i really don't see it. Its like having a super model wife you have grown a little tired of and deciding you are going to divorce her because you figure you can find an even hotter super model wife. Sure, maybe you can, but maybe you can't. I just do not see the reason for finding out

[Michael K.]

Holmgren coached for 10 season....7 of those he had 9 wins or greater.

Knox coached for 9 seasons with 6 ending with 9 or more wins. So, a FEW seasons with Mike and Chuck? Try 13 of 19.

This bullshit is common around here. Be happy with mediocre because it MIGHT get worse. Tell that to the Romar and Sarkisian fans.

[Donn Beach]

what is your point?...both Knox and Holmgren were great coaches, where they more successful than PC?

[Michael K.]

what is your point?...both Knox and Holmgren were great coaches, where they more successful than PC?

I'm pretty sure you are trying to be a pain in the ass.

what im saying is before Pete we has a year of two under Holmgrum or Ground Chuck but for the most part this was a loosing team.

THAT is my point. THAT statement was maybe a page back in this thread...so I can see how it would be so hard for you to see what I was referencing.

A losing team? Yeah, as a new franchise or under tool bags like Flores....but with good ownership, how many losing years have we really had? What is more likely, Russ isn't our QB and Pete wills this team to more than the 7 wins he had with T Jax (RIP), or some one else can come in and utilize this Franchise Qb just as well or better?

Let's not pretend that we were the worst team around. Reading all this bullshit about three and four win seasons makes me believe people in here started watching the end of Holmgren and Mora Junior!

Commenting about how many playoff wins in our era is one thing. How about telling me what Pete Carroll's playoff record was before Russ? How about commenting on the record pre Russ and post Russ....or while we had good ownership compared to when Behring was here. This is not a dumpster fire without Carroll. Just like the Huskies weren't stuck with Sarkisian, this organization doesn't have to be stuck without Carroll.

What's my point. Yes Don, you are right. This organization would be lost, and was lost before the great Pete Carroll arrived. He deserves credit, but the Saint Hood treatment is tiresome. He is responsible for the exact same many Super Bowl losses as wins, and since that moment hasn't advanced past the second round....despite having the best Qb this organization will probably ever have. At least during Carroll's time here.

[D-train]

Not to mention the fear of going back to 3-13 season when we have never had a 3-13 season in team history.