Redskins are changing their name

[D-train]

"They were trying to form their own nation"...and they went about it by attacking fort Sumter and beginning the Civil War. Usually when the USA is attacked folks get upset about it. These days someone can blow up a Federal building or something and be viewed a hero, all they are trying to do is form their own nation i guess

There is definitely a Civil War going down on Twitter.

[DavidGee24]

People aren't stupid and addicted to outrage. This isn't a fad. Its 2020 and very few people have it so good. I can't take you seriously after making a comment like that.

As you used to do back in the Times days, trying to pass off your opinion as an absolute for no reason other than you're angry that someone disagrees with you. Of course people are, why do you think the media slants everything the way it does? Because they know people want to be outraged and they feed it for their gain. Do you ever look at comments sections of news articles? Very few responses are rational, and I gave you a perfect example of one.

And yes, people have it better than ever. We have so many comforts and so much access that we're spoiled and entitled, and people more often than not fail to use common sense and act with decency.

[DavidGee24]

That's quite the watered down version of the Civil War.. And fighting in a war to try to secede from the Union (So they could keep slaves) is not the same as the atrocities inflicted upon Native Americans or Blacks.

This is also for Donn Beach: I think we all would agree that the South were the bad guys and rightfully lost, but that's our point of view. Those who were involved would see it differently. Everyone thinks they're virtuous and no, I wouldn't give the same leeway to the Axis Powers as they were downright evil. As for slavery, the big push for anti-slavery came from Lincoln after the war started so that issue was there but down the list of the South's reasons for separating. Also, very few Union soldiers even cared about slavery, they just went where Lincoln told them to go. As a Gulf War vet I can relate, I know we weren't just there to liberate Kuwaitis. Don't get me wrong, the right side won the Civil War and the nation and humanity is much better off as a result, but the war wasn't originally a slavery/anti-slavery event.

[Michael K.]

Yeah, what I was getting at I guess was I know someone who is an Indian and takes offense...and I don’t think it is my place to tell him he is wrong.

[ThePro]

Everyone thinks they're virtuous and no, I wouldn't give the same leeway to the Axis Powers as they were downright evil. As for slavery, the big push for anti-slavery came from Lincoln after the war started so that issue was there but down the list of the South's reasons for separating.

This is a new narrative. What a hill to die on. To downplay slavery and the Confederates that were willing to fight a war for it. Fitting you mentioned the Axis Powers because the Confederates were just as evil. Lincoln debated Fredrick Douglass. His responses are just as racist and biased as any KKK propaganda today. Lincoln didn't give a shit about slavery or the slaves. He hoped that the freed slaves would fight for the Union. Which many did. Lincoln was also concerned European nations might support the Confederacy.

1. The South seceded over states’ rights.
Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery.


On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War.

South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery.

The politics behind the Confederate flag controversy in South Carolina

Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.”

[ThePro]

As you used to do back in the Times days, trying to pass off your opinion as an absolute for no reason other than you're angry that someone disagrees with you.

This makes no sense .

[DavidGee24]

I'm well aware of what you posted, that's a cherry-pick as that was a part of it and not the entire reason for it. I'm also well aware of Lincoln's position.

Look, we've both had our say and the forum can agree with whichever view they choose. Hope that makes sense.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I think if you look at why the team was named "The Redskins" it was a stupid reason that didn't have much (if anything) to do with the history of the region. That would be the main reason for changing that name, even though for all the Washington fans who grew up knowing their football team by that name it isn't very fair. I think if would be funny if they renamed the team "The Natives" and kept the logo. Otherwise, I think a good choice for a name that accurately reflected that city would be the Washington Grifters.

[D-train]

I think if you look at why the team was named "The Redskins" it was a stupid reason that didn't have much (if anything) to do with the history of the region. That would be the main reason for changing that name, even though for all the Washington fans who grew up knowing their football team by that name it isn't very fair. I think if would be funny if they renamed the team "The Natives" and kept the logo. Otherwise, I think a good choice for a name that accurately reflected that city would be the Washington Grifters.

Someone suggested that they keep the name redskins but just change the logo and mascot to a Redskinned potato. Someone asked if WA DC was famous for potatoes and I said, "Yeah some people call them politicians." That got my all time record likes for some reason. Almost 900. lol

[Donn Beach]

Everyone thinks they're virtuous and no, I wouldn't give the same leeway to the Axis Powers as they were downright evil. As for slavery, the big push for anti-slavery came from Lincoln after the war started so that issue was there but down the list of the South's reasons for separating.

This is a new narrative. What a hill to die on. To downplay slavery and the Confederates that were willing to fight a war for it. Fitting you mentioned the Axis Powers because the Confederates were just as evil. Lincoln debated Fredrick Douglass. His responses are just as racist and biased as any KKK propaganda today. Lincoln didn't give a shit about slavery or the slaves. He hoped that the freed slaves would fight for the Union. Which many did. Lincoln was also concerned European nations might support the Confederacy.

1. The South seceded over states’ rights.
Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery.


On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War.

South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery.

The politics behind the Confederate flag controversy in South Carolina

Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.”

it was about slavery, sure the issues where various things, states rights, economics, but the underlying factor to all of it was slavery. Slavery was a tremendous economic force in the building of the country, it effected both the north and the south. It was the driving force both for development. and destruction. 20% of the population of the country was considered property, think about that, try to imagine it. When we talk about freeing slaves we are really talking about changing the economic system of the entire country. Then you get to reconstruction and you have have a system that codifies a lot of the old system of slavery. And that system was driven by terror, the rise of the KKK for instance. The construction of a lot of the post Civil War memorials around the south was really part of that system. There is a huge rent ot the fabric of the nation from all of this that has never been repaired. At some point this stuff is going to need to be addressed, guys can kick and scream about it but its going to happen