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Re: Redskins are changing their name

Post by DavidGee24 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:47 am

True on that last part Donn, and we can include the removal of the statue of former Redskin owner George Preston Marshall while we're on that subject. How that guy ever even got a statue in the first place is a head-scratcher. They'd have been better off putting one of Dan Snyder up there, the only people he ever offends are those who want to see the Redskins win football games.

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Re: Redskins are changing their name

Post by D-train » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:46 am

Confederate statues is one thing but you have a US senator saying she is open to taking down statues of George Washington and CK saying yesterday was a holiday celebrating white supremacy. If anyone thinks either of those will improve race issues in the country, they are insane.

Also saying that it has NEVER been addressed is just flat out inaccurate and completely ignores with MLK and the Civil rights movement. When slaves were released there were hundreds of laws in place to keep them as segregated second class citizens. There is literally not a single one of those laws still in place and discrimination and segregation are rightfully illegal. In a country of 330 million people, of course you are going to have millions of racist freaks but Systemic implies a SYSTEM, laws or Policies that condone, validate, justify or legitimize racism.

Yes, sadly there are racists in America but I have yet to be given an example of systemic racism in 2020. Yet systemic is the new catch phrase just like climate change is an "Existential" threat with most of the people saying it not even knowing the meaning of the word.
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Re: Redskins are changing their name

Post by D-train » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:47 am

Another nice gesture by the mob which will surely make the world a better place. Vandalized a statue of former slave that became a famous abolitionist. Idiots.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/st ... 380432002/
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Re: Redskins are changing their name

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:21 am

D-train wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:46 am
Confederate statues is one thing but you have a US senator saying she is open to taking down statues of George Washington and CK saying yesterday was a holiday celebrating white supremacy. If anyone thinks either of those will improve race issues in the country, they are insane.

Also saying that it has NEVER been addressed is just flat out inaccurate and completely ignores with MLK and the Civil rights movement. When slaves were released there were hundreds of laws in place to keep them as segregated second class citizens. There is literally not a single one of those laws still in place and discrimination and segregation are rightfully illegal. In a country of 330 million people, of course you are going to have millions of racist freaks but Systemic implies a SYSTEM, laws or Policies that condone, validate, justify or legitimize racism.

Yes, sadly there are racists in America but I have yet to be given an example of systemic racism in 2020. Yet systemic is the new catch phrase just like climate change is an "Existential" threat with most of the people saying it not even knowing the meaning of the word.
I didn't say it had never been addressed but that it still needs to be addressed. There seems to be an attitude, we elected a black president so how could there still be racism, that issue has been resolved, it hasn't been. And yes, I would call it systemic, its not random acts of racism, its systems that inherently favor one segment of the population over others. Take the educational system, black students are at a disadvantage, there nothing written into codes demanding it but the system delivers its product unequally. There was a time when laws did mandate it, but like you say those laws have been abolished but the effect is still there, its baked into the system.

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Re: Redskins are changing their name

Post by ThePro » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:34 am

D-train wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:46 am
Confederate statues is one thing but you have a US senator saying she is open to taking down statues of George Washington and CK saying yesterday was a holiday celebrating white supremacy. If anyone thinks either of those will improve race issues in the country, they are insane.

Also saying that it has NEVER been addressed is just flat out inaccurate and completely ignores with MLK and the Civil rights movement. When slaves were released there were hundreds of laws in place to keep them as segregated second class citizens. There is literally not a single one of those laws still in place and discrimination and segregation are rightfully illegal. In a country of 330 million people, of course you are going to have millions of racist freaks but Systemic implies a SYSTEM, laws or Policies that condone, validate, justify or legitimize racism.

Yes, sadly there are racists in America but I have yet to be given an example of systemic racism in 2020. Yet systemic is the new catch phrase just like climate change is an "Existential" threat with most of the people saying it not even knowing the meaning of the word.
The Criminal justice system is Systemic racism . If the Governor is a white supremacist, the mayor, the DA , the
chief of police and most of the sergeants and most ofthe officers are either white supremacists or enable white supremacy . That's Systemic racism There are more governments that follow that model than not. . A white person can commit the same exact crime as someone black in the same area and receive an entirely different sentence. Blacks represent the highest percentage of the incarcerated That is systemic racism. There is a wealth gap blacks were deprived and prevented access to programs that allowed generational wealth in your family. This is systemic racism. There is an employment gap . Businesses are owned by whites . There is a discrepancy in hiring and promotions. Blacks with a college degree earn 10K less than a white person that dropped out of high school . That is systemic racism. Nearly all media outlets are owned by whites. They can make the national narrative whatever they want it to be. That's systemic racism. Highest percentage of Americans in poverty are black. That's systemic racism.
Gentrification is Systemic racism . The banks refused to give black homeowners loans and/or refinance (redlining) . And then sold the same properties to whites. The Banks, the government were in in it. That's systemic racism.

There are studies that show a bias/ discrimination vs blacks in Healthcare. That's systemic racism.

Education . The same bias that blacks face with the criminal justice system can be found in studies by the Dept of Education. If the Superintendent is racist same with the principal, the vice principal and the teachers. That's systemic racism. There are more school districts following that model than not.

This country was literally founded on systemic racism . All the so called "founding fathers" were not only despicable human beings. They were all slave owners. It is written in the Constitution that slaves counted as 3/5ths of a man. The National Anthem had an extra verse about killing slaves. You think all this stuff just went away? Its 2020 and people are still clinging to the Confederate flag and statues of Confederates.

Systemic racism is as real as it gets.

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Re: Redskins are changing their name

Post by DavidGee24 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:52 am

D-train wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:47 am
Another nice gesture by the mob which will surely make the world a better place. Vandalized a statue of former slave that became a famous abolitionist. Idiots.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/st ... 380432002/
Now wait a sec Darren, according to one of most esteemed prosters, I mean posters whom I won't name to protect his identity, people aren't stupid and outraged and we can't call them "idiots". Whether this was a mistake by the protesters or an act committed by racists, it was done rationally and intellectually.

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Re: Redskins are changing their name

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:58 am

DavidGee24 wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:52 am
D-train wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:47 am
Another nice gesture by the mob which will surely make the world a better place. Vandalized a statue of former slave that became a famous abolitionist. Idiots.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/st ... 380432002/
Now wait a sec Darren, according to one of most esteemed prosters, I mean posters whom I won't name to protect his identity, people aren't stupid and outraged and we can't call them "idiots". Whether this was a mistake by the protesters or an act committed by racists, it was done rationally and intellectually.
not sure what you guys are getting at, how do you know who did or what their rational was for doing it?...

from the article, says they have had trouble with vandalism in the past...
That year, two St. John Fisher students were arrested for severe damage to one of the downtown statues. They maintained they were drunk when they vandalized the statue, while one witness claimed he heard racial slurs before the crime.

They later pleaded guilty to criminal mischief and participated in a restorative justice program in which they learned of the legacy of Douglass.

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Re: Redskins are changing their name

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:06 am

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Re: Redskins are changing their name

Post by ThePro » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:14 am

DavidGee24 wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:52 am
D-train wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:47 am
Another nice gesture by the mob which will surely make the world a better place. Vandalized a statue of former slave that became a famous abolitionist. Idiots.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/st ... 380432002/
Now wait a sec Darren, according to one of most esteemed prosters, I mean posters whom I won't name to protect his identity, people aren't stupid and outraged and we can't call them "idiots". Whether this was a mistake by the protesters or an act committed by racists, it was done rationally and intellectually.
Stop making this personal . What an asshole

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Re: Redskins are changing their name

Post by D-train » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:46 am

ThePro wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:34 am
D-train wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:46 am
Confederate statues is one thing but you have a US senator saying she is open to taking down statues of George Washington and CK saying yesterday was a holiday celebrating white supremacy. If anyone thinks either of those will improve race issues in the country, they are insane.

Also saying that it has NEVER been addressed is just flat out inaccurate and completely ignores with MLK and the Civil rights movement. When slaves were released there were hundreds of laws in place to keep them as segregated second class citizens. There is literally not a single one of those laws still in place and discrimination and segregation are rightfully illegal. In a country of 330 million people, of course you are going to have millions of racist freaks but Systemic implies a SYSTEM, laws or Policies that condone, validate, justify or legitimize racism.

Yes, sadly there are racists in America but I have yet to be given an example of systemic racism in 2020. Yet systemic is the new catch phrase just like climate change is an "Existential" threat with most of the people saying it not even knowing the meaning of the word.
The Criminal justice system is Systemic racism . If the Governor is a white supremacist, the mayor, the DA , the
chief of police and most of the sergeants and most ofthe officers are either white supremacists or enable white supremacy . That's Systemic racism There are more governments that follow that model than not. . A white person can commit the same exact crime as someone black in the same area and receive an entirely different sentence. Blacks represent the highest percentage of the incarcerated That is systemic racism. There is a wealth gap blacks were deprived and prevented access to programs that allowed generational wealth in your family. This is systemic racism. There is an employment gap . Businesses are owned by whites . There is a discrepancy in hiring and promotions. Blacks with a college degree earn 10K less than a white person that dropped out of high school . That is systemic racism. Nearly all media outlets are owned by whites. They can make the national narrative whatever they want it to be. That's systemic racism. Highest percentage of Americans in poverty are black. That's systemic racism.
Gentrification is Systemic racism . The banks refused to give black homeowners loans and/or refinance (redlining) . And then sold the same properties to whites. The Banks, the government were in in it. That's systemic racism.

There are studies that show a bias/ discrimination vs blacks in Healthcare. That's systemic racism.

Education . The same bias that blacks face with the criminal justice system can be found in studies by the Dept of Education. If the Superintendent is racist same with the principal, the vice principal and the teachers. That's systemic racism. There are more school districts following that model than not.

This country was literally founded on systemic racism . All the so called "founding fathers" were not only despicable human beings. They were all slave owners. It is written in the Constitution that slaves counted as 3/5ths of a man. The National Anthem had an extra verse about killing slaves. You think all this stuff just went away? Its 2020 and people are still clinging to the Confederate flag and statues of Confederates.

Systemic racism is as real as it gets.
I am not going to go point by point and I think some of that exists to some extent and some is exaggerated but all of that is either illegal or not completely due to racism. My point is that minds have to be changed instead of laws or polices and you aren't going to do it by destroying the country, and making innocent people feel guilty about sins of the past. That will only breed further animosity and will perpetuate racism vs. minimizing it.
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