2020-2021 Hot Stove Thread

[Vogelbomb]

They also said they were going to stick with the 6 man. Hard to argue. The only starter with an injury was Graveman and it was unrelated to pitching.

Dipoto is notoriously scared of high innings counts. Coming off a 60-game season with starters barely reaching 50 innings not to mention prospects who didn't see game action, I guarantee you he's pissing his pants thinking about taking a guy from 60 innings to even 180 innings.

I would think that a year of "rest" which you could see this year as.. would be good for pitchers' arms and arm health... but somehow it's seen as the opposite.

Going to at least need to see rosters at 26, if not 27, 28 players to allow for that 6-man rotation.

[D-train]

They also said they were going to stick with the 6 man. Hard to argue. The only starter with an injury was Graveman and it was unrelated to pitching.

Dipoto is notoriously scared of high innings counts. Coming off a 60-game season with starters barely reaching 50 innings not to mention prospects who didn't see game action, I guarantee you he's pissing his pants thinking about taking a guy from 60 innings to even 180 innings.

I would think that a year of "rest" which you could see this year as.. would be good for pitchers' arms and arm health... but somehow it's seen as the opposite.

Going to at least need to see rosters at 26, if not 27, 28 players to allow for that 6-man rotation.

Yeah I am not a fan of giving you 6th best starter as many starters as your Ace. Not a big deal this season but if you have a legit Ace you want to give him 30+ and your #2 starter 30+ starts. Sounds like they aren't focused on competing next year and just going with another year of development.

[Vogelbomb]

And the propaganda campaign is officially underway:

https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1 ... 9157959680

I don't see a problem with it. White is a young player, only improving in his areas of deficiency, meanwhile he has pretty elite tools elsewhere.

Sorry, not seeing much if any improvement here.

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DT, your screen grab shows 60 games. You didn't even bother showing me his AA numbers. LOL. You seriously want to quote a 60-game sample size and point to that as "no improvement shown?" Dustin Ackley got, what, 5 full seasons? Evan White deserves just as much time.

Look, the game is about run differential. Not just scoring runs, but preventing them. If White's OPS+ is 67 then what is he doing to prevent runs? And as the best def. 1b in the entire game, he's actually doing quite a bit. The hits he takes away, the DP he creates, the outs he saves by digging balls out, etc. He even helps your starter stay in the game longer. On top of that he runs the bases tremendously well.

This is the kind of thing that really matters in the NBA. Sure you may score 35 ppg but how many are you allowing on the defensive end? Are you a +10 player or a net negative when you're on the court? Though, it's extremely visible and important in NBA, I see it having strong influence in baseball as well even though there's 9 defenders on the diamond rather than 5 and thus things are more spread out amongst each individual in term's of their impact.

But that smaller share of impact also works on the offensive side to limit his liability. If you have 9 hitters in your lineup, you can afford to have 1 or even 3-4 not pulling their weight depending on how good the others are.

Ultimately, it's important to remember every facet of the game and that the name of the game is run differential. Scoring more than you allow. Evan White has a place on my Mariners team until 2025 at least and that's because of what he does defensively and on the bases AND where I see the rest of the offense being around him.

[Vogelbomb]

Yeah I am not a fan of giving you 6th best starter as many starters as your Ace. Not a big deal this season but if you have a legit Ace you want to give him 30+ and your #2 starter 30+ starts. Sounds like they aren't focused on competing next year and just going with another year of development.

Right. Still, I don't know about that. Let's see where MLB sets the playoff spots at before we say the Ms aren't trying to contend or not. If it goes back to 5, then you can safely assume 90 wins is the bar (if not more) and giving a 6th starter 30 starts likely holds you back from that number. BUT if the spots are 6+, then that bar could be 85-87 wins a 6th starter for 25? ish starts would be ok.

I will reserve judgment.

[D-train]

I don't see a problem with it. White is a young player, only improving in his areas of deficiency, meanwhile he has pretty elite tools elsewhere.

Sorry, not seeing much if any improvement here.

EW.JPG

DT, your screen grab shows 60 games. You didn't even bother showing me his AA numbers. LOL. You seriously want to quote a 60-game sample size and point to that as "no improvement shown?" Dustin Ackley got, what, 5 full seasons? Evan White deserves just as much time.

Look, the game is about run differential. Not just scoring runs, but preventing them. If White's OPS+ is 67 then what is he doing to prevent runs? And as the best def. 1b in the entire game, he's actually doing quite a bit. The hits he takes away, the DP he creates, the outs he saves by digging balls out, etc. He even helps your starter stay in the game longer. On top of that he runs the bases tremendously well.

This is the kind of thing that really matters in the NBA. Sure you may score 35 ppg but how many are you allowing on the defensive end? Are you a +10 player or a net negative when you're on the court? Though, it's extremely visible and important in NBA, I see it having strong influence in baseball as well even though there's 9 defenders on the diamond rather than 5 and thus things are more spread out amongst each individual in term's of their impact.

But that smaller share of impact also works on the offensive side to limit his liability. If you have 9 hitters in your lineup, you can afford to have 1 or even 3-4 not pulling their weight depending on how good the others are.

Ultimately, it's important to remember every facet of the game and that the name of the game is run differential. Scoring more than you allow. Evan White has a place on my Mariners team until 2025 at least and that's because of what he does defensively and on the bases AND where I see the rest of the offense being around him.

You said he is improving in his areas of deficiency which since he is apparently the best defensive 1B in human history and runs well I assume you mean hitting. He hit well last year in AA and was horrid this season and as those stats clearly show, he actually got worse in terms of OPS the past 28 days vs the beginning of the season. Not giving up on him after 60 games but if you think we can have a 1st baseman with a .600 OPS I don't know what to say. There is a reason he had -0.2 WAR this season despite the great D. Its because no amount of D at 1B can make up for a horrible bat.

Only place he would be even close to viable is catcher or SS. That's it. He was the least valuable 1B in the league despite the D.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... 2020-12-31

[D-train]

What say you bpj to Vogey's argument.

[Vogelbomb]

yeah, I'm not going to look at no 7-game or even month-long trends to show he's this or he's that. That's pretty weak to try to make your case off of.

[D-train]

yeah, I'm not going to look at no 7-game or even month-long trends to show he's this or he's that. That's pretty weak to try to make your case off of.

You said he is improving his hitting which is complete bullshit and I showed he never did. You can't show anything to back your statement because you got nothing.

[bpj]

I don't see a problem with it. White is a young player, only improving in his areas of deficiency, meanwhile he has pretty elite tools elsewhere.

Sorry, not seeing much if any improvement here.

EW.JPG

DT, your screen grab shows 60 games. You didn't even bother showing me his AA numbers. LOL. You seriously want to quote a 60-game sample size and point to that as "no improvement shown?" Dustin Ackley got, what, 5 full seasons? Evan White deserves just as much time.

Look, the game is about run differential. Not just scoring runs, but preventing them. If White's OPS+ is 67 then what is he doing to prevent runs? And as the best def. 1b in the entire game, he's actually doing quite a bit. The hits he takes away, the DP he creates, the outs he saves by digging balls out, etc. He even helps your starter stay in the game longer. On top of that he runs the bases tremendously well.

This is the kind of thing that really matters in the NBA. Sure you may score 35 ppg but how many are you allowing on the defensive end? Are you a +10 player or a net negative when you're on the court? Though, it's extremely visible and important in NBA, I see it having strong influence in baseball as well even though there's 9 defenders on the diamond rather than 5 and thus things are more spread out amongst each individual in term's of their impact.

But that smaller share of impact also works on the offensive side to limit his liability. If you have 9 hitters in your lineup, you can afford to have 1 or even 3-4 not pulling their weight depending on how good the others are.

Ultimately, it's important to remember every facet of the game and that the name of the game is run differential. Scoring more than you allow. Evan White has a place on my Mariners team until 2025 at least and that's because of what he does defensively and on the bases AND where I see the rest of the offense being around him.

Nobody deserves the amount of time Smock and Ackley got.

Who has that ever worked out for? C'mon man.

[Hanjag]

Sorry, not seeing much if any improvement here.

EW.JPG

DT, your screen grab shows 60 games. You didn't even bother showing me his AA numbers. LOL. You seriously want to quote a 60-game sample size and point to that as "no improvement shown?" Dustin Ackley got, what, 5 full seasons? Evan White deserves just as much time.

Look, the game is about run differential. Not just scoring runs, but preventing them. If White's OPS+ is 67 then what is he doing to prevent runs? And as the best def. 1b in the entire game, he's actually doing quite a bit. The hits he takes away, the DP he creates, the outs he saves by digging balls out, etc. He even helps your starter stay in the game longer. On top of that he runs the bases tremendously well.

This is the kind of thing that really matters in the NBA. Sure you may score 35 ppg but how many are you allowing on the defensive end? Are you a +10 player or a net negative when you're on the court? Though, it's extremely visible and important in NBA, I see it having strong influence in baseball as well even though there's 9 defenders on the diamond rather than 5 and thus things are more spread out amongst each individual in term's of their impact.

But that smaller share of impact also works on the offensive side to limit his liability. If you have 9 hitters in your lineup, you can afford to have 1 or even 3-4 not pulling their weight depending on how good the others are.

Ultimately, it's important to remember every facet of the game and that the name of the game is run differential. Scoring more than you allow. Evan White has a place on my Mariners team until 2025 at least and that's because of what he does defensively and on the bases AND where I see the rest of the offense being around him.

Nobody deserves the amount of time Smock and Ackley got.

Who has that ever worked out for? C'mon man.

smoak! He had 2 years of 800 plus OPs and an All star 883 OPs year