Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

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Re: Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

Post by auroraave » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:58 pm

SeattleAddict wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:23 am
Jesus, you act like they should manage to find HOFers in every draft in the later rounds. Sometimes those just don't exist. I just looked thru every draft pick in the 5th-7th rounds from 2013-2019 and had a hard time finding ANY players that became stars. Stefon Diggs and Jay Ajayi in the 5th round were the closest... EXCEPT Chris Carson was a 7th round pick and is possibly one of the top 5 RBs in the game.

This times 1000. Somehow, some people, who have no experience outside of their silly Fantasy Football teams, have slapped their own unattainable goals and expectations on the front office based on the incredible teams from 2012/2013. That level of success by any team is simply unsustainable outside of Madden. This is real life. People that know and understand football recognize the limitations of drafting humans - and yet, somehow, because malik mcdowell drove an ATV off a cliff, the greatest outlier of all time, that is how they choose to define John Schneider, who thus needs to be fired.
Meanwhile this roster is loaded, sans injuries, through both drafting and incredible free agent and trade acquisitions - the same incredible success that some people choose to ignore, because they so desperately need to drive this narrative home that JS is awful, so they can purport to know more than one of the most successful GM's in the NFL, and by far the greatest in Seattle sports history. Focusing on negatives while ignoring the overwhelming positives, doesn't make JS look bad, it shows the true nature of the poster - they choose to live life through a negative filter, period. Nothing will ever be good enough. The team could go 16-0 and because they weren't all shut outs or blow outs, it's all a huge failure. These people are super fun at parties, by the way. Someone was complaining that seattle doesn't blow out teams enough. Really? It's the NFL, teams rarely get blown out. The Jets at 0-10 and are still competitive. But because Seattle had three anomaly blow outs seven seasons ago, not having them right now, amidst a string of massive injuries, in the most competitive division in the NFL, means John Schneider sucks. Yeah, that's strong logic there. This team should be winning like it's Oklahoma playing Kansas in the 70's. Every week should be 69-3. Yeah, another reasonable expectation. :roll:

Draft complainers are simpletons. They ignore all the context and the realities of draft risk, and the millions of variables, and it's most likely because they did so well in their fantasy draft that they actually think they know how to do better than someone doing it in the real world. The best part? They get to GM in hindsight. That's the best way! Complaining about Malik McDowell is about the lowest form of human intelligence, second only to believing socialism is a good way of governance.

Every single move a team makes is based on risk. You don't get to embrace the risks that pay off - and there have been many - and only focus on the ones that don't. That's being hypocritical. It's all risk - every single transaction. This ain't your fantasy team, and your expectations aren't JC's to fulfill, they are yours to manage. 7-3, drivers seat, another likely playoff run - and complaining about Malik McDowell. That's just embarrassing.

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Re: Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

Post by D-train » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:24 pm

SeattleAddict wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:30 am
D-train wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:45 am
SeattleAddict wrote:
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best factual breakdown I've seen. The Seahawks are actually #1 over 10 years, thanks to the Russell Wilson/Bobby Wagner mega haul. And if you say "oh yeah, well what if you took them out?" I get to say "oh yeah, well what if Malik McDowell would've been an All-Pro?"

JS' first picks always leave me screaming at the TV saying "WHO!!???" or "WHY DRAFT A RB/MLB???!!" but we all seem to agree on that. Oh the WHOLE though, they've done a good to great job on the draft.
I get your point on taking out the 2012 draft but in I would love another example of an ALL Pro Edge rusher that had 7.5 Career sacks or less in his college CAREER.
McDowell was a 300 lb run-stuffing DT, not an edge rusher. 7.5 sacks isn't too bad for an interior lineman.
Uh no he wasn't. He played all over the line in Michael Bennet fashion at MSU but he was drafted to get to the QB.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/03/31/malik ... ing-report
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Re: Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:27 pm

Okay, so you guys are convinced that Schneider and his assistants have done a bang-up job in recent years (top10 drafts from 2015 - 19, great trades, decent FA signings). So, given that the team has had one of the top QBs in the league the past 8+ seasons, why do you suppose they have been a 9-11 win team with one division title and gone no deeper than the divisional round of the playoffs.
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Re: Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

Post by D-train » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:31 pm

57reasons wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:41 am
Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:55 pm
It's way too early to judge the last two, but here's my thoughts....

So two elite players in DK and Carson, quality players in Lewis and Clark, a really good punter, and a bunch of unknowns (either rookies or been injured).
My thought is, given the division, and wanting to win the West, they should get an A+ for drafting Lewis and Clark !! :lol:
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Re: Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:43 pm

D-train wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:24 pm
SeattleAddict wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:30 am
D-train wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:45 am


I get your point on taking out the 2012 draft but in I would love another example of an ALL Pro Edge rusher that had 7.5 Career sacks or less in his college CAREER.
McDowell was a 300 lb run-stuffing DT, not an edge rusher. 7.5 sacks isn't too bad for an interior lineman.
Uh no he wasn't. He played all over the line in Michael Bennet fashion at MSU but he was drafted to get to the QB.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/03/31/malik ... ing-report
there from your article..he was not reach in the second round
Which brings us to McDowell, who when playing at his peak has looked like a top-five talent relative to this draft class. Of course, one really has to dial back to 2015 to get the complete McDowell experience because of a hit-or-miss ’16, but his size (6' 6", 295 lbs.) and athleticism up front make him an option for just about any team drafting in Round 1.

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Re: Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:52 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:27 pm
Okay, so you guys are convinced that Schneider and his assistants have done a bang-up job in recent years (top10 drafts from 2015 - 19, great trades, decent FA signings). So, given that the team has had one of the top QBs in the league the past 8+ seasons, why do you suppose they have been a 9-11 win team with one division title and gone no deeper than the divisional round of the playoffs.

Best NFL teams of the 2010s

Team W-L.........Win %......Playoffs..Super Bowls....Titles
Patriots 125-35.....0.781........10........5..................3
Packers 102-56-2...0.644.........8........1..................1
Steelers 102-57-1...0.641.........6........1..................0
Seahawks 100-59-1.0.628.........8........2..................1
Saints 100-60.......0.625.........6........0..................0
two wins behind the second place Packers, nobody else has more than one SB win other than the Pats, Don't know if its bang up or not, I've enjoyed it

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/12/30 ... cade-2010s
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Re: Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:03 pm

You dodged the question like you always do. My remarks were about the past 5 completed seasons. If they already had a SB quality team with an improving QB and the FO continued to do a good job of talent acquisition why can't they win more than 11 games?
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Re: Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:06 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:03 pm
You dodged the question like you always do. If they already had a SB quality team with an improving QB and the FO continued to do a good job of talent acquisition why can't they win more than 11 games?

dodge anything, don't know what to tell you...you think JS could put together a roster that has won that many games in the last decade but doesn't know how to make it win play off games?...ok,

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Re: Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:11 pm

My remarks were in reference to the past 5 completed seasons. You have to change the argument to include the early seasons where everyone agrees they killed it in the draft because you have no answer. Anyway i'm done wasting my time on this. Hopefully i will get some serious responses from others.

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Re: Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

Post by Michael K. » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:17 pm

The bottom line is, everyone is right, but since no one will see anyone else’s point the debate never ends, it is an absolute fact that they have blown the first round, and sometimes even the second round. It is also a fact that they have had a very successful run.

So, since the guys that want to apologize all the time will refuse to admit that no one is saying we don’t win, just that we would win more if they didn’t blow the first round pick...this debate will go nowhere.

For the last time, I have said a million times we have messed up an opportunity for more rings, and a big reason is a failure in the first round.

Complaining about injuries and depth? The depth problem is much smaller if you are hitting on first round picks. On this roster? The rookie drafted to replace Wagner is the most productive first round pick of our last four!

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