Vaccine vs. Mask

[Mel Bradford]

....seems the farther one gets away from the urban center.....the less anxiety there is about what the next guy is doing.

[bpj]

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[ddraig]

What are the odds of me passing on covid to someone else after having my vaccination for over a month and NOT wearing a mask?

[SpokaneCoug]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Even if you are vaccinated. You can still get COVID, right? It's just that you won't die or feel the worst of the worst symptoms. So in theory - you're vaccinated. You can get COVID, pass it on to someone who isn't vaccinated - and they can feel like shit.

Due to my younger kid's heart issues (3 surgeries) --- we've been instructed to get the flu shot every year. But we can still (and have) get the flu - we just don't get the crazy, lying in bed for 2 days version.

Being the only one vaccinated in a neighborhood or whatever - it's good for you, but until we're all vaccinated - there's still a risk, right? Or are we back to COVID is fake, Dems want to control you, and Bill Gates is chipping you? Asking for a friend.

[bpj]

We're to the "They don't require a flu shot" point and 99.6% survive Covid anyways.

Once everyone that wants the vaccine has had it they (government) can shove their masks up their asses.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

The SPARS revelations should remove any remaining doubt for people. Check out the full report on Infowars.

The Plandemic was scheduled for 2023 but moved up due to the volatile political situation in America. Covid was a deliberate biological attack carried out by both foreign and domestic enemies.

Everything was planned. The recommendation to not wear masks and then wear masks. Lockdown 14 days to stop the spread. The social distancing rules. The plans to shut down schools and censor descent. Everything was planned.

We didn't need the SPARS smoking gun report to know all of the above, but what it gives us now is what their end game plan is. It's all about vaccinating people. Put micro biotics into people and then govern them by 5G satellite. Real life Matrix.

[gil]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Even if you are vaccinated. You can still get COVID, right? It's just that you won't die or feel the worst of the worst symptoms. So in theory - you're vaccinated. You can get COVID, pass it on to someone who isn't vaccinated - and they can feel like shit.

Due to my younger kid's heart issues (3 surgeries) --- we've been instructed to get the flu shot every year. But we can still (and have) get the flu - we just don't get the crazy, lying in bed for 2 days version.

Being the only one vaccinated in a neighborhood or whatever - it's good for you, but until we're all vaccinated - there's still a risk, right? Or are we back to COVID is fake, Dems want to control you, and Bill Gates is chipping you? Asking for a friend.

ddraig,
What WC wrote is basically my understanding. The "viral load" (how much virus is in you) is almost always reduced dramatically whey you are vaccinated, because your immune system can now produce antibodies and fight off an infection. With a lower viral load, you are less likely to pass on any infection (symptomatic or not) that you have. And even if you are "infectious", the people you are in contact with are in turn exposed to a lower vital load. So I'd say the odds are extremely low, but not zero. (And those very low odds are reduced even further by wearing a mask.)

[SpokaneCoug]

We're to the "They don't require a flu shot" point and 99.6% survive Covid anyways.

Once everyone that wants the vaccine has had it they (government) can shove their masks up their asses.

My understanding is that was the plan all along. Mask up until everyone that wants the vaccine gets it.

I've never understood the crazy push back on masks. Is it that big of a deal to put a mask on when you're grocery shopping? Or in Home Depot, etc?
Even now that restaurants are open 50%, you wear a mask in - then can take it off at the table. If you have to go to the bathroom, you put the mask on and go do your business until you come back to the table. Now it's off again. Is that so terrible? I get that it's not the most fun thing in the world, I just don't get the "I refuse to wear a mask" people.

[auroraave]

Polio vaccine - prevents polio.
Flu vaccine - prevents the flu.
Mumps vaccine - prevents the mumps.

COVID vaccine - doesn't actually prevent COVID.

Got it.

And sheeple are getting this... why exactly? because they're being told to by people that will directly profit from it - via political capitol, pharma profits, news ratings. And in five years when there is a sudden surge in side effects from a briefly-tested product - everyone will act all shocked that a 'vaccine' that doesn't actually prevent anything, has horrible side effects - after big pharma etal have already reaped the benefits - and the people, as usual, are nothing more than their guinnea pigs. Vaccine's generally take more than ten years to fully develop. COVID has been 'developed' for a year.

I'm definitely not anti-vax - but this shit show will probably not end well - except for big pharma shareholders in the short term - but wait until the lawsuits from the unknown side effects not vetted out start pouring in - after it's too late for the people that are the actual test subjects. Then there'll be a whole bunch of "whooooops! and "sorries!", and bullshit justifications, all the usual nonsense, from all the profiteers.

Oh, then big pharma will get to 'develop' a whole new slew of products for the side effects this vaccine created. Wash, rinse, repeat.

That's what you should be concerned about as everyone is being rushed like cattle to the slaughter before they can take the time to think this through.

[SpokaneCoug]

Polio vaccine - prevents polio.
Flu vaccine - prevents the flu.
Mumps vaccine - prevents the mumps.

COVID vaccine - doesn't actually prevent COVID.

Got it.

And sheeple are getting this... why exactly? because they're being told to by people that will directly profit from it - via political capitol, pharma profits, news ratings. And in five years when there is a sudden surge in side effects from a briefly-tested product - everyone will act all shocked that a 'vaccine' that doesn't actually prevent it, has horrible side effects - after big pharma etal have already reaped the benefits - and the people, as usual, are nothing more than their guinnea pigs. Vaccine's generally take more than ten years to fully develop. COVID has been 'developed' for a year.

I'm definitely not anti-vax - but this shit show will probably not end well - except for big pharma shareholders in the short term - but wait until the lawsuits from the unknown side effects not vetted out start pouring in - after it's too late for the people that are the actual test subjects. Then there'll be a whole bunch of "whooooops! and "sorries!", and bullshit justifications, all the usual nonsense, from all the profiteers.

Oh, then big pharma will get to 'develop' a whole new slew of products for the side effects this vaccine created. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I don't think that is correct. Getting the flu shot doesn't prevent you from getting the flu. It prevents you from getting the worst of the worst symptoms. I think the COVID vaccine is the same.

I understand the skepticism of the vaccine. It seemed to be a race to get one so who knows what shortcuts were made. And I agree, the data of potential impacts 2, 3, 5 years down the road will be interesting.

Not sure there was a 100% "win/win" situation with COVID. What were the choices?
- Do nothing. No masks, no vaccine - just wait for natural herd immunity. More people get sick, more people die - economy is impacted, but not as much as the shut downs - the death toll would've been crazy.
- Shut everything down, mask up everywhere, wait until vaccine comes out, wait until everyone is vaccinated. Infections and deaths are down, but economy is rocked. Tons and tons of small businesses go under, people go crazy from isolation - basically a complete change of how to live
- Some sort of a hybrid (which seems as what the US did). Shut down, mask up, open up when it makes sense. Wait for vaccine, wait for people to get vaccinated. A lot of small businesses still go under, people are still going crazy with isolation - even some log into a random sports forum to try and convince people that vampires are drinking children's blood and those vampires are democrats and hollywood elites.

Now throw in that nobody trusts any information being given and you just have a total clusterfuck. You have some states that are open (FL, TX) - people say.... "look at them, they're open and thriving"..... but then there is info of those states hiding positive tests and deaths. Then on the other side, you have states that are very slow on reopening due to cases still being dangerously high. Then there is info that anybody and everybody with the sniffles are claiming they have COVID. What side is true? Who the fuck knows?

Throw in that COVID was politicized by both sides - people are just sick and tired of every aspect of COVID. Makes for a good forum debate, but most of us just want to get back to normal. Whatever that means for each of us.