Winker good as gone?

[D-train]

Right, but what I was saying is that the Mariners concern wouldn't be so much for that first year as all the other years and the increasing risk as the player ages and declines, but is still taking up 38 mil per year on the payroll.

Yeah, their main priority would certainly be whether they think he is going to bring value back for the dollars they commit going forward.

Sending those 3 guys packing just helps them pay for it without a significant bump in the payroll for 2023, and some of 2024.

My point being that it wouldn't be a large boost in payroll going forward. The Mariners committed payrolls go from the high $60M's in 2023/2024 down to $39M by 2025/2026, so signing him still represents a somewhat steady payroll the next 6-8 years. They would definitely need to go up from the $100M current to $150M to continue adding around him by the end, unless of course more youth continues coming.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... g/htmlview

fyi that spreadsheet is a few fries short of a happy meal in the out years. 2026 Payroll is $97M

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/seattle-mar ... roll/2026/

$87M without White's club option

[ice99]

https://theathletic.com/3740190/2022/10 ... decisions/

I appreciate you being 100% onboard with my opinion, but it wasn't really my opinion that I was sharing. However, I didn't disclose this either. But with that said, you know what they say about opinions...

My math says three. I did forget about Marlowe so my two was one short.

Let’s get to the players the Mariners are likely to protect. I think Campbell, Marlowe and Berroa make it.

Are you sure?

The Mariners currently have 36 players on their 40 man roster. If they leave 6 positions for their rule 5 additions and FA signings, then they'll have to kick 2 non-tenders off the roster. They'll still have room to cut those prearbitration players like Bernadino, and maybe O'Keefe if the roster gets tight.

[bpj]

Right, but what I was saying is that the Mariners concern wouldn't be so much for that first year as all the other years and the increasing risk as the player ages and declines, but is still taking up 38 mil per year on the payroll.

Yeah, their main priority would certainly be whether they think he is going to bring value back for the dollars they commit going forward.

Sending those 3 guys packing just helps them pay for it without a significant bump in the payroll for 2023, and some of 2024.

My point being that it wouldn't be a large boost in payroll going forward. The Mariners committed payrolls go from the high $60M's in 2023/2024 down to $39M by 2025/2026, so signing him still represents a somewhat steady payroll the next 6-8 years. They would definitely need to go up from the $100M current to $150M to continue adding around him by the end, unless of course more youth continues coming.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... g/htmlview

fyi that spreadsheet is a few fries short of a happy meal in the our years. 2026 Payroll is $97M

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/seattle-mar ... roll/2026/

Thanks, it doesn't appear Cots updates in season since the Castillo addition and Crawford extension aren't on there.

So from Sportrac, current payrolls as is would be:
2023: $92M
2024: $103M
2025: $105.75M (without Marco's $15M option)
2026: $97

If they dump Winker/Flexen/Marco and add Judge at $37.5M/yr, their payrolls through 2026 would look like:

2023: $106.75M
2024: $128.5M
2025: $143.25M
2026: $134.5M

They could even hold onto Winker/Flexen and not really be pushing their previous payroll limits.

Great site, will have to bookmark Sportrac.

[ice99]

Yeah, their main priority would certainly be whether they think he is going to bring value back for the dollars they commit going forward.

Sending those 3 guys packing just helps them pay for it without a significant bump in the payroll for 2023, and some of 2024.

My point being that it wouldn't be a large boost in payroll going forward. The Mariners committed payrolls go from the high $60M's in 2023/2024 down to $39M by 2025/2026, so signing him still represents a somewhat steady payroll the next 6-8 years. They would definitely need to go up from the $100M current to $150M to continue adding around him by the end, unless of course more youth continues coming.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... g/htmlview

fyi that spreadsheet is a few fries short of a happy meal in the our years. 2026 Payroll is $97M

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/seattle-mar ... roll/2026/

Thanks, it doesn't appear Cots updates in season since the Castillo addition and Crawford extension aren't on there.

So from Sportrac, current payrolls as is would be:
2023: $92M
2024: $103M
2025: $105.75M (without Marco's $15M option)
2026: $97

If they dump Winker/Flexen/Marco and add Judge at $37.5M/yr, their payrolls through 2026 would look like:

2023: $106.75M
2024: $128.5M
2025: $143.25M
2026: $134.5M

They could even hold onto Winker/Flexen and not really be pushing their previous payroll limits.

Great site, will have to bookmark Sportrac.

It's better to use Cot's 2023- spreadsheet, than the Cot's 2022 spreadsheet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1520401900

Or even the Fangraphs Seattle Mariners payroll pages.

[Cascade Kid]

My math says three. I did forget about Marlowe so my two was one short.

Are you sure?

The Mariners currently have 36 players on their 40 man roster. If they leave 6 positions for their rule 5 additions and FA signings, then they'll have to kick 2 non-tenders off the roster. They'll still have room to cut those prearbitration players like Bernadino, and maybe O'Keefe if the roster gets tight.

Thank you Ice. What about the guys getting reinstated from the IL? The deadline is in two days.

[ice99]

Are you sure?

The Mariners currently have 36 players on their 40 man roster. If they leave 6 positions for their rule 5 additions and FA signings, then they'll have to kick 2 non-tenders off the roster. They'll still have room to cut those prearbitration players like Bernadino, and maybe O'Keefe if the roster gets tight.

Thank you Ice. What about the guys getting reinstated from the IL? The deadline is in two days.

They've already been reinstated and are included in the 36 players.

[Vogelbomb]

It's SPOTrac, not sportrac. No 'r'