New OC thread

[auroraave]

Feels like the Kubiak hire has been met with a resounding yawn. I am in the 'raging indifference' group about this hire. Everything about the seahawks feels underwhelming anymore. There just is not a single thing to be fired up about.

I wish I didn't, but I agree. I do feel like this organization believes they are something they aren't, and it might be time to accept this isn't a destination job. No one is coming here unless it is a promotion. We aren't getting splashy Assistant Coach hires because guys can't wait to be a part of this, not anymore. Bringing in an OC that seems to most likely be in lock step with the HC might signal the best time for a rebuild. It stinks, because this team is an average interior O Line from being real good, IMO. BUT? We don't have the salary cap flexibility to make it happen, and there isn't an option to upgrade or even have someone similar to Geno. DK wants paid again, I'm sure....would take a miracle, IMO, to be even as good as last year.

My statement is not an indictment of the franchise. They are in a transition period - coaching, talent, etc. It's a great organization, but they have spent so many years with a winning record - if you don't bottom out for a few years and accumulate high end talent via the draft to restock - this is the result. I like what they are doing, it's just not going to have flashy dividends - everyone wants big flashes, but they are built on small moves.

I liked the Grubb hire, it didn't work out. Learning curve. Macdonald is also learning a lot - Kubiak will be fine I would bet - it may turn out to be a really good move - but not flashy. Until they have a top third defense to carry them and can solve the QB situation - a problem most teams have - they will likely not be particularly exciting. Again, not an indictment of the franchise - just the cold hard reality of the here and now and while people desperately want a fall guy to blame, JS, coaches, whomever, you're not going to find one - it's more a combination of circumstances than anything else, IMO.

I think the bigger problem the NFL has is the talent coming out of college - they are under prepared, not that bright, zero allegiance to anything except their own brand - these guys are not hungry anymore because they gettin' paid in college now. I think that is a far bigger problem all across the league and it is only going to get worse. The LOB were HUNGRY. These kids are fat and happy before they get to the show. Where's the motivation? All about the brand and followers - that is what they are being taught in college - it's called the transfer portal and NIL - I think Pete Carroll is about to learn a very hard lesson in the new reality of these kids.

[Michael K.]

MM worked with the Harbough's he brought that experience, that system with him. That to me is building a solid foundation to a team. Now experience seems to have a negative connotation, it's retreads. Anyway, I'm hopeful this hire works

You keep going back to this, yet I don't believe you ever responded to me when I posted this earlier.

One has an MVP at QB, who now has as many playoff losses as wins. They other has Justin Herbert and managed 12 points in the playoffs, and went from up 6 to 0 to losing 32 to 12 in his only playoff game this year. You think you put Lamar or Herbert on this Seahawks team they aren't IMMEDIATELY better? I do, and I don't think Justin Herbert is even all that good!

John won a Super Bowl in 2012. In the 12 years since he missed the playoffs 5 times and is 4 and 7 in the 7 years he made the playoffs. Jim quickly took the Niners from losing to his brother in 2012 to 8-8 in 2014 and out of the league. He then "led" the Wolverines to a 49 and 22 record in what was a rather weak Big Ten. He won the Citrus Bowl his first year there, then proceeded to lose four straight bowl games before not qualifying and then losing two more. In that span he was also getting dominated by Ohio State, losing his first 5 games in that series, with most of them not even close.

Everybody slobbers all over the Harbaughs, but since 2012? If you consider Bowl games like playoff games? They are a combined 7 and 15 in the post season. Jim won a NC ring. In that same span? Pete Carroll is 8 and 7 with two trips to the Super Bowl and one Super Bowl ring.

I said when Harbaugh was leaving Michigan that I wouldn't want him. His success early on in careers have both times been early on. In SF? He took guys that were already there and won a ring, and two years later was shown the door for the shit he was pulling. Same thing in Michigan. But? As an alum, he got a longer leash, started cheating, won a ring, and left them in the lurch.

By your logic? We should have kept Pete. He has had more recent success than John, and didn't run a team into the ground in three years like Jim. I don't get it the love. They are good coaches. But between them they have one ring in the Pros....and Jim was damn close to being fired before they figured out how to steal signs. He turned that into a college ring and a job in the NFL.

[Donn Beach]

Okay, so who should they have hired to replace Pete, who would you have slobbered over

[Michael K.]

Okay, so who should they have hired to replace Pete, who would you have slobbered over

I was fine with MacDonald, but had nothing to do with the fucking Harbaughs. Certainly not Jim.

I think he fucked up, and I think he found out about it when he ended up basically settling for Kubiak. I do not think that was his guy. You don't put OC's in the situation we have put them in and continue to kick them to the curb because they can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. It will be no different this time if they don't improve the O Line. And? In order to do that they might have to let go of some playmakers elsewhere because even though JS doesn't spend money on O Lines? He has fucked up the cap.

I was merely pointing out your love affair with the Harbaugh's is a strange one...considering the guy we just fired has actually had about the same amount of success of late. Jim did what Jim does....take someone else's players and succeed at bit more than the other guy, that team will be like the Niners. He just won't make a Super Bowl before they come crashing down this time. John is a good coach, but pretending that he is some kind of legend is strange to me. Pete took a shit ton of heat here, and deservedly so, for recent failures in the playoffs. His record is very similar to John's.

I also don't agree with this complementary football bullshit, that you hear mostly from defensive guys. Was it complementary when the Vikings went 75 yards in three plays after our offense gave us the lead? Was it complementary after MM got his way, we ran it up the Center's ass twice in a row to turn it over on downs, and the Rams scored the winning TD by going 80 yards in four plays? No, but the only time you hear this complimentary bullshit is when a defensive guy wants us to believe his defense didn't fail, they just got tired.

Look at the teams that won playoff games. Tell me that they don't all have very good QBs and good to very good O Lines. It isn't about who is calling the offense. I'd say the number of OC's we have had here since the past Super Bowl with very similar success would prove that. Grubb got fired by a bullshit offensive line, and then next guy probably will too. Unless we somehow pull a salary cap rabbit out of the hat.

[Donn Beach]

What was it about MM that you liked if you didn't like where he learned his football?

[Michael K.]

What was it about MM that you liked if you didn't like where he learned his football?

If you recall? I was against a defensive minded coach based on a few things. Mostly because those guys tend to not attract bright young minds at OC. The opposite was true of offensive minded guys. Shannahan and McVey for example always seemed to have very good DCs. I felt it was a personality clash.

I felt MM had a good track record, so was good with the hire, but really thought he bucked the trend by hiring an OC like Grubb. He proved that he couldn't handle it, so we now have Jeremy Bevelheomerdren as an OC. Wash, rinse, repeat. When it doesn't work, and this one is fired? The Seattle media and most of the fan base will have no issues with yet another assistant coach in this town taking the fall.

[Donn Beach]

The Seahawks new motto, play like a Raven

Without Pete Carroll, I expect the Seahawks to do fewer “Pete Carroll things”. That being said, Schneider’s made it clear that the franchise isn’t exactly starting from scratch and that Macdonald was hired in part because the Ravens core philosophies and Pete’s core philosophies were closely aligned. In interviews he’s mentioned that Baltimore’s “Play Like a Raven” motto and Seattle’s “Always Compete” were factors in choosing Macdonald as the next head coach

[Pharmabro]

His father didn't give him a job, he worked up through the ranks of coaching beginning in college. Because you go into the profession of your father isn't nepotism.

It is interesting the relationship between the kubiak and shanahan families.

When Gary Kubiak became Texans head coach in 2006, he added Kyle Shanahan to his staff. The younger Shanahan spent four seasons in Houston in various roles under Kubiak, serving as the wide receivers coach in 2006, quarterbacks coach in 2007, and OC in 2008 and 2009. Shanahan then left to become Washington’s OC in 2010 and later had two more OC stops before taking the 49ers’ head-coaching job in 2017.

• Prior to taking the Seattle OC job, Klint Kubiak served a pair of one-year OC stints with the Minnesota Vikings in 2021 and the New Orleans Saints in 2024. Between those two OC gigs, Kubiak spent the 2023 season on Kyle Shanahan’s staff as the 49ers’ passing game coordinator. San Francisco reached the Super Bowl that year, while quarterback Brock Purdy finished fifth in passing yardage and ranked No. 1 in ESPN’s QBR metric.

I don't see where klint kubiak is anymore nepotism and a retread than Kyle shanahan. Kyle turned out okay, who knows, maybe klint will too.

I'm not glad they got rid of Grubb, but I see it as reasonable. I accept he wasn't a good fit, far as I know he agrees he wasn't a good fit. It was a messy way of doing it but MM has commented he has a better understanding now of what he wants to do, build his staff, the team he envisions. The important thing is he's got it right with this hire. It's very important he has the right OC to work with. Ideally it should be like having a second HC that runs the offense for him. I don't think MM is trying to micromanage the offense. I think it's the opposite, he doesn't want to have to think about it, he wants to focus on his defense. So hopefully kubiak can fill that role for him. I like it, I think between his family and his career kubiak knows a heck of a lot about football. I prefer this over the guys that would have still needed help calling plays

For now, I like it. One of the reasons I do is I have been jealous of 3 teams offensive play calling in recent years.
Detroit. S.F., and KC.

New Orleans started off with such an electric offense but broke down after losing their QB. All their losses with Carr, they were in the game.

I have no idea if he is going to perform good, bad, or somewhere in-between. But I like the Shannahan offense. Maybe that has something to do with Kittle, Deebo, McCafferey, Juszczyk, Aiyuk, Purdy, Jennings, Pearsall.

From top to bottom does anyone in the NFL match those skill groups: RB1, FB1, TE1, WR 1-4?

[Michael K.]

From top to bottom does anyone in the NFL match those skill groups: RB1, FB1, TE1, WR 1-4?

No argument. That is why when those guys remained healthy? Purdy lead them to a Super Bow. Last year they were pretty banged up and finished below Arizona in last place in the Division. They are pretty darn good up front too.

My sister is adamant that Shanahan is a fraud. Says if he didn't have that defense and those stars they would still be the old 49ers. 6 and 11 last year seems to indicate that might not be far from the truth. Again, the league catches up. Pete never adapted and we went from one of the best defenses in the history of the NFL to one of the worst in the league in what? Six or seven years? That is why McVey impresses me so much. Don't get me wrong, I'd take Shanahan or McVey calling plays here, in a heart beat. I just feel like McVey has done an amazing job of adapting to his personnel. Shit, they beat us in the playoffs when Goff was missing two fingers on his throwing hand!

[Donn Beach]

The offense goes back to Mike shanahan doesn't it


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