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[douche]

The proof just isn't there to suggest that Pete was outstanding at talent evaluation....not the further he got from being around the college game and knowing all of those guys. He fell in love with veterans and other people's cast offs.

Agreed. I could be wrong, but it appeared to me that PC's ties to the college game allowed him more intimate knowledge of those players (Sherman and Baldwin, specifically), and he pursued them. But as you say, the longer he was away from the college ranks, the less he knew about those players.

So yeah, I think once he had claimed the college guys he wanted, he seemed to revert to the idea that he could simply take an average player and coach him up to be so much better than he was actually capable of. That, and pulling players off the scrap heap. As opposed to actually evaluating talent.

Personally, I feel his optimism just went too far. He ended up living in a fairy tale of his own making. A form of disillusionment, if you will.

[Donn Beach]

Yeah, that could be pretty accurate. In contrast to the article from a few years ago on how they managed to get along. I don't think it ever was about Pete telling JS what to do. I think they were able to reach consensus in the past but that began to fail. This mini rebuild could have been the breaking point. Pete wanted Smith and DK extended. Like I said before, what's interesting to me is the difference in coaching with Pete gone rather than players. But Smith and DK was a pretty big deal

I know you are a huge Pete fan, so let me put this delicately. Do you really think that Pete wasn't a big part of the problem when you look at the way this roster looks now as apposed to when he was a part of the decision making process? I was a huge John detractor, but even I admitted that he had done a real good job other than the O Line. It's starting to look like he was right, and they just needed a better scheme. Of course, keeping the two tackles healthy helps a lot.

But once John had full say so? I would think even you would admit that the personnel has improved greatly....no? Coincidence? You say Pete did all of this in the off season in Vegas....how has that worked out? The proof just isn't there to suggest that Pete was outstanding at talent evaluation....not the further he got from being around the college game and knowing all of those guys. He fell in love with veterans and other people's cast offs.

You keep making this is about being a Pete fan. I'm saying I think there was a time when it worked with them working together, then it didn't based on the two articles. Yeah, the team got better replacing smith with darnold and that could have led to the chism, but I also think they were in agreement on smith originally. What I find more interesting is how the offensive line was improved once Pete left and I believe that had a lot to do with changing the coaching approach rather than the personnel

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[D-train]

I just read a piece on Kafka in the Athletic that the Seahawks did interview for the head job but then tried to get to be Macdonald's OC, but the Giants refused to let him make a lateral move, and he stayed with the Giants.

Yeah, now they are trying to drum up a story of Kubiak coaching the Giants

“After torching defenses with Sam Darnold under center, Kubiak figures to be the hottest coaching candidate in this upcoming cycle,” Woodruff writes. “If he’s intrigued by the trio of Jaxson Dart, Malik Nabers and Cam Skattebo as his lead quarterback, wide receiver and running back, New York could be a great landing spot for him come winter.”

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Last week Softy and Dick were talking about Kubiak as a HC and they were saying, in an interview, he just would not have the juice needed to be a HC. Some guys are just better behind the scenes.

Wyman and Bob said the same this afternoon.

[douche]

Falcons predicted to cut ties with Kirk Cousins to find Michael Penix Jr.'s potential replacement.

"ESPN's Bill Barnwell thinks the Cousins decision is simple, but that the Penix part is tricky. Penix has an incredibly strong left arm, but his inconsistencies have created concerns about his long-term viability."

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[trharder]

This is the first time I've watched Drake Maye. Patriots may have gotten another good one. I'm a little jealous.

[Michael K.]

Falcons predicted to cut ties with Kirk Cousins to find Michael Penix Jr.'s potential replacement.

"ESPN's Bill Barnwell thinks the Cousins decision is simple, but that the Penix part is tricky. Penix has an incredibly strong left arm, but his inconsistencies have created concerns about his long-term viability."

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/atl ... dc1e0ed413

I loved Penix, but the head in the garbage can stuff against Oregon, and acting like every rib in his body was broken in the NC Game? Made me wonder about his mental ability to play that position at the next level. He looks over matched in the NFL, like a guy trying to read a dictionary without his glasses while wacked out in crank. Just looks like the game is too fast

[Donn Beach]

This is the first time I've watched Drake Maye. Patriots may have gotten another good one. I'm a little jealous.

I don't follow the league very closely, I guess Vrabel and Maye are a story. Seem to be the actual MVP and COY leaders

[Michael K.]

You keep making this is about being a Pete fan. I'm saying I think there was a time when it worked with them working together, then it didn't based on the two articles. Yeah, the team got better replacing smith with darnold and that could have led to the chism, but I also think they were in agreement on smith originally. What I find more interesting is how the offensive line was improved once Pete left and I believe that had a lot to do with changing the coaching approach rather than the personnel

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What an astute observation....it worked at one time. You mean when they made back to back Super Bowls? The beginning of the end was second and goal and the league adapting. Pete never adapted, still hasn't.

Kubiak has made a difference, but so has having both starting Tackles and Gray Zabel. Grubb gets vilified, and rightly so in some instances, but the O Line he was given was horseshit.

And again, yes, you are a fan of Pete's. No one that reads your stuff would argue that. He was a big part of why we went from the best young team in the league to what we were a few years ago....a team that either didn't make the playoffs or took an early exit.

Schneider and MM seem to be the same type of combo that Pete and JS were in the early days. That said, I don't see any way Pete would have a defense in the top five that is starting Ty Okada, Drake Thomas and Tryce Knight in positions manned on his defense by Bobby, Earl and KJ. The more clips I see? It is flat out impressive what MM is doing. Pete deserves credit for recognizing the talent that others didn't in Bobby, Kam, Sherm, KJ and for rebuilding the D Line, relatively on the cheap. But I don't think he was the schematic master that MM is. I have been pretty blown away watching the break downs of how MM has schemed up blitzes, coverages, etc. It's crazy.

MM strikes me as the anti-Pete. He is going to figure out ways to scheme against the opponent each and every week. Pete had a style that we were going to play, come Hell or High Water.

[douche]

This is the first time I've watched Drake Maye. Patriots may have gotten another good one. I'm a little jealous.

I don't follow the league very closely, I guess Vrabel and Maye are a story. Seem to be the actual MVP and COY leaders

For me, it's the chicken-and-egg-thing. Is Maye that good, or is he good because he's in a situation with good coaching and good scheme?

I would give Vrabel a lot of credit. Wasn't he the guy who helped resurrect Tannehill's career?

[trharder]

This is the first time I've watched Drake Maye. Patriots may have gotten another good one. I'm a little jealous.

I don't follow the league very closely, I guess Vrabel and Maye are a story. Seem to be the actual MVP and COY leaders

For me, it's the chicken-and-egg-thing. Is Maye that good, or is he good because he's in a situation with good coaching and good scheme?

I would give Vrabel a lot of credit. Wasn't he the guy who helped resurrect Tannehill's career?

Sure, give Vrabel credit for doing his job well. Did you watch TNF yesterday? Maye is 23 and looks like he's 16. 6'4" - 225 lbs. Prototypical.
Comes from a football family. I know it's too early to crown him, but he sure does remind me of Peyton Manning.