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[Michael K.]

Not saying we should or should not trade Haniger, and I've seen good arguments both for and against, but there is one thing I know- If we keep trading every decent player on the damn team for "prospects" year after year, and continue developing them with the current success rate, I, along with every other member of this forum, will likely die of old age without seeing the M's in the World Series.
AT and others with far more knowledge than I are developing a good list of who we might get for Haniger, but as we've seen, there is no such thing as a "can't miss" prospect (and anyone putting their trust in Dipoto and Co. developing young players might want to think again.) Not saying we should never take a chance, but the reality is that most successful teams have a few veterans playing alongside their stars, so trading away all of ours doesn't make sense.
And for the "we can always trade Player A and sign Player B in free agency" when is the last time that worked out? Last time I looked, free agents aren't lining up to play in Seattle, which means we replace someone like Haniger's production at several times the cost...

Yep, trade for a guy, and when he becomes the player we need him to be so we can win? Trade him for a few guys that we hope some day can be as good. I don't get it. Sounds like a perpetual rebuild to me. Let's just call it what it is....we will be a AAAA ballclub that develops players to later send to playoff teams.

I was all for the rebuild, but at some point you have to pay your own and bring in others that are ready now. WTF, can you imagine this fucking team without Seager and Hanniger? Has anyone ever averaged one run per game, because we might struggle to even get one without those two.

[bpj]

There are plenty of examples of teams trading players with 1-2 years of service time left.

Especially teams that are not appearing to be legitimate contenders for at least another year.

If they can extend Haniger, do it! If not, you can't just lose your best players without getting a return and maintain longterm minor league success on graduating quality players to MLB based on drafting only.

[Coeurd’Alene J]

There are plenty of examples of teams trading players with 1-2 years of service time left.

Especially teams that are not appearing to be legitimate contenders for at least another year.

If they can extend Haniger, do it! If not, you can't just lose your best players without getting a return and maintain longterm minor league success on graduating quality players to MLB based on drafting only.

Exactly...We have little room for Haniger going into next year....you fellas say you don’t get it...but it’s just as crazy to hang onto a very valuable player that will be gonzo in 2023

[bhofferb]

There are plenty of examples of teams trading players with 1-2 years of service time left.

Especially teams that are not appearing to be legitimate contenders for at least another year.

If they can extend Haniger, do it! If not, you can't just lose your best players without getting a return and maintain longterm minor league success on graduating quality players to MLB based on drafting only.

Exactly...We have little room for Haniger going into next year....you fellas say you don’t get it...but it’s just as crazy to hang onto a very valuable player that will be gonzo in 2023

Lets wait until our prospects show some MLB skill before declaring "there is no room for Haniger" Hopefully we end up with Lewis, JK and Julio as our outfield for the next decade, but it's far from a sure thing...

[bpj]

There are plenty of examples of teams trading players with 1-2 years of service time left.

Especially teams that are not appearing to be legitimate contenders for at least another year.

If they can extend Haniger, do it! If not, you can't just lose your best players without getting a return and maintain longterm minor league success on graduating quality players to MLB based on drafting only.

Exactly...We have little room for Haniger going into next year....you fellas say you don’t get it...but it’s just as crazy to hang onto a very valuable player that will be gonzo in 2023

Lets wait until our prospects show some MLB skill before declaring "there is no room for Haniger" Hopefully we end up with Lewis, JK and Julio as our outfield for the next decade, but it's far from a sure thing...

Good point, but the crux of the issue is that Haniger will be long gone by the time we find out either way.

The way the prospects have performed, next year will be another wait and see year, at best, imo.

Unless they spend the $75-100 mil in free agency.

Next year's his last as an M as things stand.

[Michael K.]

Great prospects, but next year is still wait and see. Continue to trade every player that can sniff a major league fastball and you can change the mascot to wait and see.

We are hoping a guy that was epically bad in his first stint in the pros anchors and OF with one guy that has had one good month in three in the majors and another guy not even ready for a call up? Wait and see? More like wait forever.

Jesus, pay someone that can play NOW! But nope, let’s trade everyone that can play now, wait and see, and cash checks because fans keep showing up. They own the longest playoff draught in North America for a reason!

[bpj]

Can't force a guy into an extension.

If he'll sign one, great.

If not, have to maximize value to the franchise, which probably isn't letting a guy play out his final season without getting a return.

[AT Funchal-Madeira]

Great prospects, but next year is still wait and see. Continue to trade every player that can sniff a major league fastball and you can change the mascot to wait and see.

We are hoping a guy that was epically bad in his first stint in the pros anchors and OF with one guy that has had one good month in three in the majors and another guy not even ready for a call up? Wait and see? More like wait forever.

Jesus, pay someone that can play NOW! But nope, let’s trade everyone that can play now, wait and see, and cash checks because fans keep showing up. They own the longest playoff draught in North America for a reason!

We are actually in a rebuilding mode and we are not going to build around a 30 year old injury prone right fielder with a career average of .266.

[Michael K.]

So, we wll build around two guys that are great prospects, and between the 2 of them have four months in the league with three of them being below average ro dogshit?

[Michael K.]

Can't force a guy into an extension.

If he'll sign one, great.

If not, have to maximize value to the franchise, which probably isn't letting a guy play out his final season without getting a return.

Agreed, but the sense I get is most in here don't even want to think of an extension. We need to just load on prospects, until it is too late and we have to trade them for more prospects.