Stone on the debacle

[D-train]

About 1/6th of Swansons appearances this season were "High Leverage", amounting to about 8 innings this season. Not much, but he had done it before, and the only reason he hadn't done it more was because we had better options. It's not a knock on Swanson.

Boyd was a badass for us since he got here, this was basically what he was here for. Left handed opponents had a .317 OPS against Boyd this season. That's OPS, not AVG.

Ray was a struggling starter they took out of the rotation in his first relief appearance with the game on the line against one of the top hitters in the game.

Defend it all you want, but they took a big chance and it backfired. They deserve every bit of blame they get.

Yep the CY Young trophy sitting on Ray's shelf in his Den at home for his performance LAST season is irrelevant. He had been pitching like shit for a while including just 3 days prior.

Jesus, stop it. Three days prior he should have been in the bullpen just like he was yesterday. What leftie should start a playoff game in Toronto against that lineup? You want to start with how Servais fucked up? He might have ruined Robbie in Toronto. THAT was fucking stupid.

Stop what? Pointing out indisputable facts? lol btw They have meetings well before the games to come up with the plan for who is going to pitch during certain situations. For all we know SS could have said he would have rather used Torrens over Ray and DiPoto vetoed him.

[bpj]

Ray had 12.0 "High Leverage" innings as a starter. Opponents had an OPS against him of .908.

Swanson had 8.2 High Leverage innings with an OPS against him of .637

Boyd hadn't been used that way, so you're going off their season rates and Rays overall suckage to make the call.

No matter how you slice it, (except for $'s owed) Ray wasn't the right guy in that situation.

[Michael K.]

Stop what? Pointing out indisputable facts? lol btw They have meetings well before the games to come up with the plan for who is going to pitch during certain situations. For all we know SS could have said he would have rather used Torrens over Ray and DiPoto vetoed him.

Stop using Ray's outing against Toronto as why he sucks. Name a leftie you would want pitching that game at that time? Randy Johnson? Sure, we don't have Randy Johnson, haven't in some time.

[Michael K.]

Ray had 12.0 "High Leverage" innings as a starter. Opponents had an OPS against him of .908.

Swanson had 8.2 High Leverage innings with an OPS against him of .637

Boyd hadn't been used that way, so you're going off their season rates and Rays overall suckage to make the call.

No matter how you slice it, (except for $'s owed) Ray wasn't the right guy in that situation.

$ owed shouldn't come into play, and I doubt it did. Again, it is easy to say Ray was the wrong call, especially for all you guys that watch baseball and see numbers all over a screen and not players. I will say it one last time, if they threw Swanson, and used analytics as the excuse for why, after Alvarez hit one 500 feet? Most would blow up saying they are stupid for using analytics.

Three guys paid to make plays didn't. End of story. Regardless who threw the gopher ball to Alvarez? This place? Would have blamed the guy that asked him to go do it.

[bpj]

Stop what? Pointing out indisputable facts? lol btw They have meetings well before the games to come up with the plan for who is going to pitch during certain situations. For all we know SS could have said he would have rather used Torrens over Ray and DiPoto vetoed him.

Stop using Ray's outing against Toronto as why he sucks. Name a leftie you would want pitching that game at that time? Randy Johnson? Sure, we don't have Randy Johnson, haven't in some time.

Michael K loves Robbie Ray, Michael K loves Robbie Ray, Michael K loves Robbie Raaaayyy

Any of our pitchers had done better than Ray against LHH this season, it's not rocket science guy.

They made a bad decision, that the numbers do not support, so now people are justified in their criticism. It isn't guesswork.

They got cute, they failed. Now they're getting called on it.

[D-train]

Stop what? Pointing out indisputable facts? lol btw They have meetings well before the games to come up with the plan for who is going to pitch during certain situations. For all we know SS could have said he would have rather used Torrens over Ray and DiPoto vetoed him.

Stop using Ray's outing against Toronto as why he sucks. Name a leftie you would want pitching that game at that time? Randy Johnson? Sure, we don't have Randy Johnson, haven't in some time.

Jays actually hit righties a bit better than Lefties this season. I just gave you his last 5 prior. Here they are again.

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[D-train]

SS answers Divish's question about it.

[bpj]

SS answers Divish's question about it.

There it is again "our process".

This us how "process over results" philosophy plays out.

[Michael K.]

Stop what? Pointing out indisputable facts? lol btw They have meetings well before the games to come up with the plan for who is going to pitch during certain situations. For all we know SS could have said he would have rather used Torrens over Ray and DiPoto vetoed him.

Stop using Ray's outing against Toronto as why he sucks. Name a leftie you would want pitching that game at that time? Randy Johnson? Sure, we don't have Randy Johnson, haven't in some time.

Michael K loves Robbie Ray, Michael K loves Robbie Ray, Michael K loves Robbie Raaaayyy

Any of our pitchers had done better than Ray against LHH this season, it's not rocket science guy.

They made a bad decision, that the numbers do not support, so now people are justified in their criticism. It isn't guesswork.

They got cute, they failed. Now they're getting called on it.

I don't love Robbie Ray, and I wasn't sold he was the right move at the time. I also don't think anyone was. The game was over when fucking Sewald walked the pinch hitting rookie that had no chance to get a hit if he throws strikes. You don't give the top of that order a shot. Seen it too many times.

[Michael K.]

SS answers Divish's question about it.

Part of that process was also Munoz and Sewald. But, let's focus on one missed fastball. This bullpen imploded, and it wasn't Servais that made them implode. They choked.