Jennings waived Haynes activated

[D-train]

Detroit was only willing to give up a 3rd round pick for a 2nd year first round pick in Penny.......

[Michael K.]

So, he may never play, but it was a great pick? Read what I typed again. It was a bust for this team to pick him. I get that you feel the coaches have it it for him, but one of those coaches is also greatly involved in front office moves. He drafted him, and doesn’t use him.

He has time. He's just behind a good player. I never said the coaches have it for him. You can question the pick Which is also bullshit . Hindsight is always 20/20. A bust is someone who sucks. I know you would love to say he is terrible but you can't make that argument anymore so now he is a bust because they don't play him. There is mo urgency to play him. If Carson keeps dumping that ball on the turf it will happen sooner than later.

I already said hindsight is 20 20, but I have been saying this was a bad pick ever since he couldn't beat out Mike Davis. And for the last time, the pick is a bust because we have a first round pick making little to no contribution. You have no idea who we could have gotten later that year or even this year. We have no pass rush, the defensive secondary is limited, we are down to a castoff from New England at TE, Ifedi is still our RT, our Kicker stinks and just about every Guard on our roster is good for three or four missed games a season. BUT, we should have two first round picks standing on the sidelines? They are bad picks for this team...it doesn't matter how much you like them or think they should play.

You love Penny, you believe he has talent. Fine, it should have been utilized somewhere else. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I realize for the last time this is hindsight. But it cracks me up how many "ifs and buts" are used to defend this. What IF Carson gets hurt, what if he wasn't this good, but, Carson has been injury prone.

The bottom line is the last two first round picks we have used have ended up standing next to the coaches FAR more than they play. One was tabbed as an explosive and dangerous player both in the backfield and in the return game, yet isn't used in either. The pick was a bust.

If we draft a backup QB in the first next year that we never plays, and he leaves in FA....will you say it was a good pick because Russ MIGHT have gotten hurt?

[ThePro]

None of your points are valid. Just stop

[D-train]

I think the issue is the defining of what is a bust. I think a pick can be a bust even though the player isn't a bust. I think this defines the Penny situation. Collier is looking like both the player and the pick is going to be a bust.

[Michael K.]

None of your points are valid. Just stop

So, the best utilization of a first round pick for a team with many holes is to be a backup who vary rarely plays? OK. Bad picks...the only one who doesn't see it is you.

[Michael K.]

I think the issue is the defining of what is a bust. I think a pick can be a bust even though the player isn't a bust. I think this defines the Penny situation. Collier is looking like both the player and the pick is going to be a bust.

Yep, but in this place it must be black and white. We could have Carson Wentz on this team as a first round pick, and in my opinion that would be a bust because it was an unnecessary utilization of a first round pick. But, in here, for some, if Pete did it? It must be pure gold.

[ThePro]

I think the issue is the defining of what is a bust. I think a pick can be a bust even though the player isn't a bust. I think this defines the Penny situation. Collier is looking like both the player and the pick is going to be a bust.

Way too early to label either player a bust.

[D-train]

I think the issue is the defining of what is a bust. I think a pick can be a bust even though the player isn't a bust. I think this defines the Penny situation. Collier is looking like both the player and the pick is going to be a bust.

Way too early to label either player a bust.

Fine. I will predict that Collier will be a bust with 99% certainty.

[Michael K.]

I think the issue is the defining of what is a bust. I think a pick can be a bust even though the player isn't a bust. I think this defines the Penny situation. Collier is looking like both the player and the pick is going to be a bust.

Way too early to label either player a bust.

So, how many games does a first round pick have to sit before any return he gives you later wasn't worth the lack production earlier? You miss the point, it isn't about what Penny MIGHT be able to give us down the road, it is the lack of production we got currently and what we missed out on by not taking someone else. First round picks aren't supposed to be stashed for the future, and they shouldn't be depth. Especially if that depth is at a weak position like Collier! Hell, Penny was losing minutes to Prosise!

I get the feeling you are waiting for his first big run to tell us all you told us so. To me? We have already missed out on value because we used a pick on him. Was it defendable? Sure, you and David Gee have pounded on this for over a year....we didn't know what he had in Carson and Davis, injuries happen, blah blah. The bottom line is it didn't pan out...injuries happen to more than just the RB position, and if I am to believe Pete Carroll? We knew what we had in Carson after his rookie camp! The guy was our starter pretty much as soon as he was drafted. All Pete could do was tell us how great he was....one injury as a rookie changes all of that? Duane Brown got hurt this year, I guess despite the fact that he is signed for awhile we better draft his backup, just in case?

This was a mistake. You act as though I am asking for PC and JS's head's on a stick. That isn't the case, but I sure as shit would like to see them start getting first round talent with first round picks....first round talent that will actually PLAY IN THE GAMES.

If either of these last two first round picks were LTs, would you be backing the back in the same manor since they can't beat out Duane Brown? The selection was a bad one, and the proof is in the fact that neither take the field enough to have an impact on an actual game.

[ThePro]

Dolphins claim Jennings...