New OC thread

[Michael K.]

The Saints didn't look bad at all when Carr played, he just didn't play much. I do HATE the way they use Taysom Hill though...my guess is he likes the idea of having ten guys block when he uses Hill basically as a Wildcat. I just have a hard time believing they aren't better off using an actual RB. Still, that's a pretty minor nit to pick, and he won't have that option here anyway.

[Donn Beach]

I think Kubiak is the guy because he does actually have some experience, I'm going to guess that's what wins out

[Pharmabro]

A "physical unit" that plays "complementary football" would be one that establishes the run. The fact Seattle rostered both Ken Walker III and Zach Charbonnet, plus a flashy third back in Kenny McIntosh, and could never get the ground game going is an indictment on the offensive coordinator. Grubb, who looked to establish the pass first, then go to the run as a tendency-breaker, did not run a physical nor complementary unit.

Yep, if we had just run it more often the line would have been better at run blocking. Go back and look at the Rams game we lost. 30 plus carries, barely 100 yards, and a big fat L. They are going to get a yes man, that bangs his head against a brick wall for three quarters, just like we did with Pete. The problem is, we won't be able to turn to Russ and street ball to bail us out.

This is a good thing though, and certainly not a Grubb strength.

However, a coordinator who can creatively get the ball out of the quarterback's hand quickly and efficiently can mask a weak offensive line. Even a play-action pass, getting the defense out of alignment, would serve well for a weak unit up front.

I'm just not sure you had to fire the guy after one year to get him to call more quick game or play action. But who knows? Maybe he told Grubb this is going to be how it is and Grubb said "with this O Line? Good Luck". I still put the blame for our offensive deficiencies at about 65% fault of the GM. He is absolute dogshit at building an O Line, and always has been. The sixth or seventh OC isn't going to cure that.

Maybe Seattle does not develop the O-line well. I remember that a few seahawks O-line have greatly improved after being fk tards here. I think they may hire the Lions O-line coach as OC. Maybe he can lean onto developing the O-line as an offensive coordinator.

[Michael K.]

It’s possible, but it’s not like they haven’t changed the staff. The only common denominator is JS.

I think Farley might just follow Ben Johnson to Chicago. I really wouldn’t underestimate the impact firing Grubb might have. Come here to follow that up? Or go where they have a HC you are familiar with and building blocks like Williams, Odunze and Moore?

[D-train]

I think Kubiak is the guy because he does actually have some experience, I'm going to guess that's what wins out

Feels like a Shotty nepotism pick.

[Donn Beach]

Baldinger thinks they could be close on the offensive line, brings up commanders as an example

“I don’t feel like they’re very far away, especially if big Abe (Lucas) can stay healthy,” Baldinger said. “I feel like if Abe’s on the field, I feel like they’re better. It looked like they found some guards later as the year went on that they kind of fell in love with, but that might change. I feel like Olu is a good player at center. He might be a little undersized, but maybe in the right scheme he can be good because I know how smart he is. I don’t feel like they’re that far away.”

Baldinger pointed to what the Washington Commanders did last offseason as a good example of just how quickly a team can improve its O-line.

“I mean, it’s a perfect marriage with (offensive coordinator) Kliff (Kingsbury) and (rookie quarterback) Jayden (Daniels) for sure, but they (also) went to free agency and got (Nick) Allegretti and they got Andrew Wylie (both guards), and they went to sign (center) Tyler Biadasz, who’s a really good player,” Baldinger said.

[Michael K.]

Oh, so you mean the Commanders added three interior O Lineman, and their O Line got better? I wonder why every time we do that, we get worse? The game plan with Schneider is to make sweeping changes up front, then when it doesn't work? Blame a lack of continuity up front, then keep the under performing guys he added, only to dump them a year later because they still under perform.

Daniels was a HUGE upgrade over Howell, and they did a great job of identifying interior O Lineman to add. Big difference over what we did, and have been doing for a decade. Baldy isn't wrong, that COULD happen here. But what has happened here historically that makes anyone believe it actually will? We will blame the play calling, fire the OC, but never actually address the biggest problem for over a decade. An Offensive Line littered with scraps and castoffs and mid draft picks that play like...mid draft picks.

Another problem was the horrible drafts post Super Bowl. The lack of talent and depth forced their hand. They had to use those picks on guys like Spoon and Murphy because we had become TERRIBLE on defense. We blew draft picks like LJ Collier and took a MLB in the 1st round when we played a fucking 4 - 3 Defense and still had Pro Bowl caliber Bobby Wagner. You can't do that shit. You can't take Penny to be a third string RB, you can't trade back from difference makers to take Tedrick Thompson and Mike Tyson. It put us in a position where we had a ton of holes and couldn't really address the O Line in the draft.

They also completely miscalculated what would happen with Russ when he didn't have Lynch, the league adjusted to the read option and he lost his mobility. It is why we are where we are. Some trades that seemed to make sense didn't even pan out. Harvin, Graham, Adams....all cost us capital and we never really used them to their fullest capabilities.

That's ALL on Schneider's watch. And yet? He is the ONLY guy that is never discussed in any off season as being on the hot seat. He is also the only guy still here.

[Gametime]

Oh, so you mean the Commanders added three interior O Lineman, and their O Line got better? I wonder why every time we do that, we get worse? The game plan with Schneider is to make sweeping changes up front, then when it doesn't work? Blame a lack of continuity up front, then keep the under performing guys he added, only to dump them a year later because they still under perform.

Daniels was a HUGE upgrade over Howell, and they did a great job of identifying interior O Lineman to add. Big difference over what we did, and have been doing for a decade. Baldy isn't wrong, that COULD happen here. But what has happened here historically that makes anyone believe it actually will? We will blame the play calling, fire the OC, but never actually address the biggest problem for over a decade. An Offensive Line littered with scraps and castoffs and mid draft picks that play like...mid draft picks.

Another problem was the horrible drafts post Super Bowl. The lack of talent and depth forced their hand. They had to use those picks on guys like Spoon and Murphy because we had become TERRIBLE on defense. We blew draft picks like LJ Collier and took a MLB in the 1st round when we played a fucking 4 - 3 Defense and still had Pro Bowl caliber Bobby Wagner. You can't do that shit. You can't take Penny to be a third string RB, you can't trade back from difference makers to take Tedrick Thompson and Mike Tyson. It put us in a position where we had a ton of holes and couldn't really address the O Line in the draft.

They also completely miscalculated what would happen with Russ when he didn't have Lynch, the league adjusted to the read option and he lost his mobility. It is why we are where we are. Some trades that seemed to make sense didn't even pan out. Harvin, Graham, Adams....all cost us capital and we never really used them to their fullest capabilities.

That's ALL on Schneider's watch. And yet? He is the ONLY guy that is never discussed in any off season as being on the hot seat. He is also the only guy still here.

Johns ability to evaluate OL is seriously flawed. So, he really only hit on Lucas on the oline. Cross was a no-brainer, he didn't even have to do much research that high and pretty much everybody mocked him to us. The other issue was cascading

The Mcdowell draft pick effected us going forward. That's why he passed on Carter, and we are still paying for not drafting Carter. Spoon is good, but not drafting Carter hurt. We then had to trade a 2nd and extra for Williams (which we could have done that too and done a duo with Carter and Big Cat), but then we had to draft Murphy instead of an Edge or Oline. Could have had Carter and Verse. Carter and Bobinson (6 sacks this year) or Carter and Quinyon Marshall and his 12 pass deflections. Or Carter and Barton at Center. I think we would have been better with 2 all pro types in Carter and Verse than Spoon and Murphy who was basically just a DT that held his position and little impact.

Like Spoon, but we would have been a better team with Carter. That is debatable. What isn't debateable is how bad John is at signing and drafting Olineman. But, John is teflon--he isn't responsible for anything that is bad. Only good. Look at his last 5 or 6 drafts. kinda bad.

[Michael K.]

Yep, John seems a lot like Jerry. Doesn't do a great job, but always hangs around, and others lose their job. Must be a Seattle thing.

[Donn Beach]

I don't see it really as an inability to judge oline talent. I think their hits and misses probably align with most teams. I see it as a strategy of going with budget Olines. I think they have tried to work the margins in terms of olinemen. Perhaps you could call that poor talent evaluation. Its led to a lot of flops