Should Dipoto and Hollander be fired?

[Seattle or Bust]

Good points by pretty much everybody.

Seems like the one thing besides not making the playoffs that has been just as consistent is Dipoto wasting $30+ million in available payroll on several bums instead of one or two good players.

From Wade Miley and Nori Aoki to Donovan Solano and Mitch Garver. Absolutely pathetic.

I am in the minority here, but ownership clearly said that when the reboot was ready "funds" would be available. They clearly went back to Jerry and said here is the cap. JD is handcuffed. There is a group of posters that come up with deadline plans, offseason plans, etc. But the bottom line is that these plans look great but when we go to sign Ohtani and ownership goes yes good get as long as you can get him for 25M X 5 we won't go 6. There is nothing Jerry can do.

This BS where you absolute geniuses claim that you knew Polanco was not the guy last year you would have done XYZ is Monday morning QB BS. This year he has a 119 OPS+ and the 2nd most HR and RBI. If he was that guy last year we are in the playoffs.

JD and Hollander have created the best farm system I have ever seen. They have developed Cal, Brash, Gilbert, Kirby, Woo, Miller, JRod, Evans. Hancock,

Trades and partially developed: JP. Moore, Munoz, Raley: So many BP parts.

Finally, the farm. There are players in the current farm that are ranked outside the top 10 that I would rank at least in-line with top-10's M prospects for 10 or 15 years ago.

I watched the Aquasox squad play here in Spokane tonight. Laz hit a 440' HR to dead center that sounded different than the other HRs that were hit that night including his 2nd HR and Arroyo's they have a .950 and .970 OPS. And don't look now but Colt has a 1.040 PS in June. Pete looked like a guy that posed for pictures in his Junior-pro, he has 10 HR and 11 SB a 30-30 pace and is probably a level over his head. The M's system is loaded.

I would have done the "go for it deals" the latest was some sort of deal for Devers. When you deal with reality JD's team has been doing a fantastic job.

You don't know what the deal is, but you would have done it?

For how much you're praising this front office, you really don't know a lot about them if you think they'd add Devers for $28.5M a year until 2033 and about $60M in deferred money owed until 2043.

[Bil522]

Good points by pretty much everybody.

Seems like the one thing besides not making the playoffs that has been just as consistent is Dipoto wasting $30+ million in available payroll on several bums instead of one or two good players.

From Wade Miley and Nori Aoki to Donovan Solano and Mitch Garver. Absolutely pathetic.

I am in the minority here, but ownership clearly said that when the reboot was ready "funds" would be available. They clearly went back to Jerry and said here is the cap. JD is handcuffed. There is a group of posters that come up with deadline plans, offseason plans, etc. But the bottom line is that these plans look great but when we go to sign Ohtani and ownership goes yes good get as long as you can get him for 25M X 5 we won't go 6. There is nothing Jerry can do.

This BS where you absolute geniuses claim that you knew Polanco was not the guy last year you would have done XYZ is Monday morning QB BS. This year he has a 119 OPS+ and the 2nd most HR and RBI. If he was that guy last year we are in the playoffs.

JD and Hollander have created the best farm system I have ever seen. They have developed Cal, Brash, Gilbert, Kirby, Woo, Miller, JRod, Evans. Hancock,

Trades and partially developed: JP. Moore, Munoz, Raley: So many BP parts.

Finally, the farm. There are players in the current farm that are ranked outside the top 10 that I would rank at least in-line with top-10's M prospects for 10 or 15 years ago.

I watched the Aquasox squad play here in Spokane tonight. Laz hit a 440' HR to dead center that sounded different than the other HRs that were hit that night including his 2nd HR and Arroyo's they have a .950 and .970 OPS. And don't look now but Colt has a 1.040 PS in June. Pete looked like a guy that posed for pictures in his Junior-pro, he has 10 HR and 11 SB a 30-30 pace and is probably a level over his head. The M's system is loaded.

I would have done the "go for it deals" the latest was some sort of deal for Devers. When you deal with reality JD's team has been doing a fantastic job.

You don't know what the deal is, but you would have done it?

For how much you're praising this front office, you really don't know a lot about them if you think they'd add Devers for $28.5M a year until 2033 and about $60M in deferred money owed until 2043.

So if you owned a company, and the guy you hired was exceptional in 1.5 of the 5 areas that your company needs to be competitive in, you would be good with that? Jerry has put in an exceptional program to discover baseball talent and they have a great pitching development program as well. That is everything Jerry has done well. His program is horrible at developing
hitters(Julio and Cal being the exceptions and both of them have big gaping holes in their swings). His program is horrible at scouting other team's major and minor leaguers because he consistently gets hosed by other teams in trades. He has no feel for roster building. He has almost no feel for personnel management and front office staff. He is meddlesome, pompous, and an officious jerk...and those are his best qualities.

We need new leadership....heck we need better ownership as well.

[Seattle or Bust]

I am in the minority here, but ownership clearly said that when the reboot was ready "funds" would be available. They clearly went back to Jerry and said here is the cap. JD is handcuffed. There is a group of posters that come up with deadline plans, offseason plans, etc. But the bottom line is that these plans look great but when we go to sign Ohtani and ownership goes yes good get as long as you can get him for 25M X 5 we won't go 6. There is nothing Jerry can do.

This BS where you absolute geniuses claim that you knew Polanco was not the guy last year you would have done XYZ is Monday morning QB BS. This year he has a 119 OPS+ and the 2nd most HR and RBI. If he was that guy last year we are in the playoffs.

JD and Hollander have created the best farm system I have ever seen. They have developed Cal, Brash, Gilbert, Kirby, Woo, Miller, JRod, Evans. Hancock,

Trades and partially developed: JP. Moore, Munoz, Raley: So many BP parts.

Finally, the farm. There are players in the current farm that are ranked outside the top 10 that I would rank at least in-line with top-10's M prospects for 10 or 15 years ago.

I watched the Aquasox squad play here in Spokane tonight. Laz hit a 440' HR to dead center that sounded different than the other HRs that were hit that night including his 2nd HR and Arroyo's they have a .950 and .970 OPS. And don't look now but Colt has a 1.040 PS in June. Pete looked like a guy that posed for pictures in his Junior-pro, he has 10 HR and 11 SB a 30-30 pace and is probably a level over his head. The M's system is loaded.

I would have done the "go for it deals" the latest was some sort of deal for Devers. When you deal with reality JD's team has been doing a fantastic job.

You don't know what the deal is, but you would have done it?

For how much you're praising this front office, you really don't know a lot about them if you think they'd add Devers for $28.5M a year until 2033 and about $60M in deferred money owed until 2043.

So if you owned a company, and the guy you hired was exceptional in 1.5 of the 5 areas that your company needs to be competitive in, you would be good with that? Jerry has put in an exceptional program to discover baseball talent and they have a great pitching development program as well. That is everything Jerry has done well. His program is horrible at developing
hitters(Julio and Cal being the exceptions and both of them have big gaping holes in their swings). His program is horrible at scouting other team's major and minor leaguers because he consistently gets hosed by other teams in trades. He has no feel for roster building. He has almost no feel for personnel management and front office staff. He is meddlesome, pompous, and an officious jerk...and those are his best qualities.

We need new leadership....heck we need better ownership as well.

I think you were probably directing that hypothetical at Pharma.

I think Jerry is good at 3 of the 5 areas you need to be competitive.

The problem is that in baseball, the one area you cannot be defective is ultimately the MLB roster you put together. It's cool and all that Jerry drafts well... that the M's have had top farms under him... that they seemingly develop good pitching under his eye... but it's the MLB product that matters the most when all is said and done and he sucks at identifying MLB talent outside of the organization.

[Michael K.]

So if you owned a company, and the guy you hired was exceptional in 1.5 of the 5 areas that your company needs to be competitive in, you would be good with that? Jerry has put in an exceptional program to discover baseball talent and they have a great pitching development program as well. That is everything Jerry has done well. His program is horrible at developing
hitters(Julio and Cal being the exceptions and both of them have big gaping holes in their swings). His program is horrible at scouting other team's major and minor leaguers because he consistently gets hosed by other teams in trades. He has no feel for roster building. He has almost no feel for personnel management and front office staff. He is meddlesome, pompous, and an officious jerk...and those are his best qualities.

We need new leadership....heck we need better ownership as well.

Very well said. Very well said.

As for the “you could’t do better” argument. First off, I don’t make JDs salary nor do I have his resources. But I’ll tell you this….if I did? I most certainly think I could do better!

They
Don’t
Win
Enough
Games

Breaking down every move is irrelevant. Two playoff wins in over two decades. The fan base deserves better than that. The problem is? Ownership doesn’t agree.